Compass and Square - why are these symbols secret?

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Compass and Square - why are these symbols secret?

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Everyone's familiar with this symbol - the Masonic compass and square. These symbols are also used in the LDS temple and on LDS garments. But how did they become something that you're not supposed to show to outsiders? First of all, they're originally Masonic symbols, and you see this all the time on Masonic graves, bumper stickers and outside Masonic lodges. Early members recognized where they came from.

Second of all, I remember reading that early designs for the SLC Temple had the compass and square appearing on the outside of the temple. So it wasn't out of the question to display these symbols.

So when did these symbols become secret in Mormonism?
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Re: Compass and Square - why are these symbols secret?

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I don't know the answer to your question, but it seems to me that if you're ripping off symbols, you might want to keep it on the down low.
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Re: Compass and Square - why are these symbols secret?

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When they got put on underwear.
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Re: Compass and Square - why are these symbols secret?

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Buffalo wrote:Image

Everyone's familiar with this symbol - the Masonic compass and square. These symbols are also used in the LDS temple and on LDS garments. But how did they become something that you're not supposed to show to outsiders? First of all, they're originally Masonic symbols, and you see this all the time on Masonic graves, bumper stickers and outside Masonic lodges. Early members recognized where they came from.

Second of all, I remember reading that early designs for the Salt Lake City Temple had the compass and square appearing on the outside of the temple. So it wasn't out of the question to display these symbols.

So when did these symbols become secret in Mormonism?

In the temple, the symbols are connected to the oaths one makes during the endowment process. Some of you young'ens may not remember the pre 1990 oaths, but they were violent and disturbing.

In addition, the Masonic oaths / rituals one made in Joseph Smith's day were also kept secret which was a carry over into the temple ceremony.
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Tchild wrote:In the temple, the symbols are connected to the oaths one makes during the endowment process. Some of you young'ens may not remember the pre 1990 oaths, but they were violent and disturbing.

In addition, the Masonic oaths / rituals one made in Joseph Smith's day were also kept secret which was a carry over into the temple ceremony.


True, but in Nauvoo for instance most endowed members were Masons, and they would have used these symbols openly. Also, early designs for the SLC Temple included a compass and square on the OUTSIDE of the building, so at one point it seems like it wasn't so secret - the symbols, at least.
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They aren't secret, they're sacred.
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DarkHelmet wrote:They aren't secret, they're sacred.


What a crap response. I know you're being funny by repeating it. But seriously, zero logic is employed in that.

First of all, false dichotomy fallacy. Second of all, there is nothing about sacredness that implies the need for secrecy.
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Because it is embarrassing to Mormon's that people know they have underwear with Masonic symbols on them because Joseph Smith was a copy cat.
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Re: Compass and Square - why are these symbols secret?

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Buffalo wrote:
Everyone's familiar with this symbol - the Masonic compass and square. These symbols are also used in the LDS temple and on LDS garments. But how did they become something that you're not supposed to show to outsiders? First of all, they're originally Masonic symbols, and you see this all the time on Masonic graves, bumper stickers and outside Masonic lodges. Early members recognized where they came from.

Second of all, I remember reading that early designs for the Salt Lake City Temple had the compass and square appearing on the outside of the temple. So it wasn't out of the question to display these symbols.

So when did these symbols become secret in Mormonism?


The "G" and the All Seeing Eye are not present on my garments.

Care to try again?
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Simon Belmont wrote:
Buffalo wrote:
Everyone's familiar with this symbol - the Masonic compass and square. These symbols are also used in the LDS temple and on LDS garments. But how did they become something that you're not supposed to show to outsiders? First of all, they're originally Masonic symbols, and you see this all the time on Masonic graves, bumper stickers and outside Masonic lodges. Early members recognized where they came from.

Second of all, I remember reading that early designs for the Salt Lake City Temple had the compass and square appearing on the outside of the temple. So it wasn't out of the question to display these symbols.

So when did these symbols become secret in Mormonism?


The "G" and the All Seeing Eye are not present on my garments.

Care to try again?


Simon, is comprehension not taught in your current school?
From the title of this thread 'Compass and Square'
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