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Archbishop does what LDS Prophet cannot
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:28 pm
by _MrStakhanovite
An ecumenical service was held at Charterhouse, London, to commemorate the 475th Anniversary of the Martyrdom of St John Houghton and his companions.
In attendance were the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, who delivered a sermon at the service to commemorate the Carthusian Martyrs. Also present was the Rt Revd George Stack, Auxiliary Bishop for the Diocese of Westminster; and the Revd Lord Griffiths of Burry Port, Superintendent Minister.
SAUCEFrom the Archbishop's Sermon:
If Henry VIII is saved (an open question perhaps) it will be at the prayers of John Houghton. If any persecutor is saved it is at the prayers of their victim. If humanity is saved, it is by the grace of the cross of Jesus Christ and all those martyrs who have followed in his path.
Wow. The head of the Anglican Church may not be saved at all, unless it's by the prayers of his Catholic victim? Imagine a Latter Day Prophet saying that about Brigham Young.
Re: Archbishop does what LDS Prophet cannot
Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:45 am
by _Doctor Scratch
You know, Stak, it was pointed out to me that there is currently a thread underway on the ironically named Mormon Dialogue board in which the participants are reflecting on the LDS Church's infamous priesthood ban. I hope that some of them see your thread here, and that it's cause for them to step back and think a bit more deeply.
Re: Archbishop does what LDS Prophet cannot
Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:03 am
by _Milesius
MrStakhanovite wrote:An ecumenical service was held at Charterhouse, London, to commemorate the 475th Anniversary of the Martyrdom of St John Houghton and his companions.
In attendance were the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, who delivered a sermon at the service to commemorate the Carthusian Martyrs. Also present was the Rt Revd George Stack, Auxiliary Bishop for the Diocese of Westminster; and the Revd Lord Griffiths of Burry Port, Superintendent Minister.
SAUCEFrom the Archbishop's Sermon:
If Henry VIII is saved (an open question perhaps) it will be at the prayers of John Houghton. If any persecutor is saved it is at the prayers of their victim. If humanity is saved, it is by the grace of the cross of Jesus Christ and all those martyrs who have followed in his path.
Wow. The head of the Anglican Church may not be saved at all, unless it's by the prayers of his Catholic victim? Imagine a Latter Day Prophet saying that about Brigham Young.
I like Rowan Williams. He is a fine patristic scholar and (I understand) poet.
Re: Archbishop does what LDS Prophet cannot
Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:15 am
by _Blixa
Milesius wrote:I like Rowan Williams. He is a fine patristic scholar and (I understand) poet.
Also, Welsh.
Re: Archbishop does what LDS Prophet cannot
Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:16 am
by _DarkHelmet
Milesius wrote:I like Rowan Williams. He is a fine patristic scholar and (I understand) poet.
I loved him as Mr. Bean.
Re: Archbishop does what LDS Prophet cannot
Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:47 am
by _The Nehor
I'm going to take the traditional interpretation and say that men are saved by Christ. Call me old-fashioned if you want.
Re: Archbishop does what LDS Prophet cannot
Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:49 am
by _The Nehor
DarkHelmet wrote:Milesius wrote:I like Rowan Williams. He is a fine patristic scholar and (I understand) poet.
I loved him as Mr. Bean.
No, different guy. Here is a typical Rowan Atkinson sermon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpNIwx32F30Much better then the one in the OP.
Re: Archbishop does what LDS Prophet cannot
Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:32 pm
by _MCB
Prayer for those who have wronged you is much more powerful than allowing anger to poison your life.
Re: Archbishop does what LDS Prophet cannot
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:08 am
by _Quasimodo
MCB wrote:Prayer for those who have wronged you is much more powerful than allowing anger to poison your life.
Matthew 5:44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.
Good words. They don't get much play in today's religions.
Re: Archbishop does what LDS Prophet cannot
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:53 am
by _ludwigm
Quasimodo wrote:MCB wrote:Prayer for those who have wronged you is much more powerful than allowing anger to poison your life.
Matthew 5:44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.
Good words. They don't get much play in today's religions.
There are other good words, which are better descriptors of the real world...
Romans 12:20
Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing
thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.