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Signs of an abusive partner/spouse/church

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:28 pm
by _Buffalo
Taken from a couple of articles on signs of an abusive husband/girlfriend. How many parallels can you find with the Brighamite branch of the LDS Church?


1. Jealousy & Possessiveness – Becomes jealous over your family, friends, co-workers. Tries to isolate you. Views his woman and children as his property instead of as unique individuals. Accuses you of cheating or flirting with other men without cause. Always asks where you’ve been and with whom in an accusatory manner.

2. Control – He is overly demanding of your time and must be the center of your attention. He controls finances, the car, and the activities you partake in. Becomes angry if woman begins showing signs of independence or strength.

3. Superiority – He is always right, has to win or be in charge. He always justifies his actions so he can be “right” by blaming you or others. A verbally abusive man will talk down to you or call you names in order to make himself feel better. The goal of an abusive man is to make you feel weak so they can feel powerful. Abusers are frequently insecure and this power makes them feel better about themselves.

4. Manipulates – Tells you you’re crazy or stupid so the blame is turned on you. Tries to make you think that it’s your fault he is abusive. Says he can’t help being abusive so you feel sorry for him and you keep trying to “help” him. Tells others you are unstable.

5. Mood Swings – His mood switches from aggressive and abusive to apologetic and loving after the abuse has occurred.

6. Actions don’t match words – He breaks promises, says he loves you and then abuses you
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7. Punishes you – An emotionally abusive man may withhold sex, emotional intimacy, or plays the “silent game” as punishment when he doesn’t get his way. He verbally abuses you by frequently criticizing you.

8. Unwilling to seek help – An abusive man doesn’t think there is anything wrong with him so why should he seek help? Does not acknowledge his faults or blames it on his childhood or outside circumstances.

9. Disrespects women – Shows no respect towards his mother, sisters, or any women in his life. Thinks women are stupid and worthless.

10. Has a history of abusing women and/or animals or was abused himself – Batterers repeat their patterns and seek out women who are submissive and can be controlled. Abusive behavior can be a generational dysfunction and abused men have a great chance of becoming abusers. Men who abuse animals are much more likely to abuse women also.



1) Bullying. If she doesn’t get her way, there’s hell to pay. She wants to control you and resorts to emotional intimidation to do it. She uses verbal assaults and threats in order to get you to do what she wants. It makes her feel powerful to make you feel bad. People with a Narcissistic personality are often bullies.

Result: You lose your self-respect and feel outnumbered, sad, and alone. You develop a case of Stockholm Syndrome, in which you identify with the aggressor and actually defend her behavior to others.

2) Unreasonable expectations. No matter how hard you try and how much you give, it’s never enough. She expects you to drop whatever you’re doing and attend to her needs. No matter the inconvenience, she comes first. She has an endless list of demands that no one mere mortal could ever fulfill.

Common complaints include: You’re not romantic enough, you don’t spend enough time with me, you’re not sensitive enough, you’re not smart enough to figure out my needs, you’re not making enough money, you’re not FILL IN THE BLANK enough. Basically, you’re not enough, because there’s no pleasing this woman. No one will ever be enough for her, so don’t take it to heart.

Result: You’re constantly criticized because you’re not able to meet her needs and experience a sense of learned helplessness. You feel powerless and defeated because she puts you in no-win situations.

3) Verbal attacks.This is self-explanatory. She employs schoolyard name calling, psychopathologizing (e.g., armed with a superficial knowledge of psychology she uses diagnostic terms like labile, paranoid, narcissistic, etc. for a 50-cent version of name calling), criticizing, threatening, screaming, yelling, swearing, sarcasm, humiliation, exaggerating your flaws, and making fun of you in front of others, including your children and other people she’s not intimidated by. Verbal assault is another form of bullying, and bullies only act like this in front of those whom they don’t fear or people who let them get away with their bad behavior.

Result: Your self-confidence and sense of self-worth all but disappear. You may even begin to believe the horrible things she says to you.

4) Gaslighting. “I didn’t do that. I didn’t say that. I don’t know what you’re talking about. It wasn’t that bad. You’re imagining things. Stop making things up.” If the woman you’re involved with is prone to Borderline or Narcissistic rage episodes, in which she spirals into outer orbit, she may very well not remember things she’s said and done. However, don’t doubt your perception and memory of events. They happened and they are that bad.

Result: Her gaslighting behavior may cause you to doubt your own sanity. It’s crazymaking behavior that leaves you feeling confused, bewildered, and helpless.

5) Unpredictable responses. Round and round and round she goes. Where she’ll stop, nobody knows. She reacts differently to you on different days or at different times. For example, on Monday, it’s ok for you to Blackberry work email in front of her. On Wednesday, the same behavior is “disrespectful, insensitive, you don’t love me, you’re a self-important jerk, you’re a workaholic.” By Friday, it could be ok for you to Blackberry again.

Telling you one day that something’s alright and the next day that it’s not is emotionally abusive behavior. It’s like walking through a landmine in which the mines shift location.

Result: You’re constantly on edge, walking on eggshells, and waiting for the other shoe to drop. This is a trauma response. You’re being traumatized by her behavior. Because you can’t predict her responses, you become hypervigilant to any change in her mood or potential outburst, which leaves you in a perpetual state of anxiety and possibly fear. It’s a healthy sign to be afraid of this behavior. It’s scary. Don’t feel ashamed to admit it.

6) Constant Chaos. She’s addicted to conflict. She gets a charge from the adrenaline and drama. She may deliberately start arguments and conflict as a way to avoid intimacy, to avoid being called on her BS, to avoid feeling inferior or, bewilderingly, as an attempt to avoid being abandoned. She may also pick fights to keep you engaged or as a way to get you to react to her with hostility, so that she can accuse you of being abusive and she can play the victim. This maneuver is a defense mechanism called projective identification.

Result: You become emotionally punch drunk. You’re left feeling dazed and confused, not knowing which end is up. This is highly stressful because it also requires you to be hypervigilant and in a constant state of defense for incoming attacks.

7) Emotional Blackmail. She threatens to abandon you, to end the relationship, or give you the cold shoulder if you don’t play by her rules. She plays on your fears, vulnerabilities, weaknesses, shame, values, sympathy, compassion, and other “buttons” to control you and get what she wants.

Result: You feel manipulated, used, and controlled.

8 Rejection. She ignores you, won’t look at you when you’re in the same room, gives you the cold shoulder, withholds affection, withholds sex, declines or puts down your ideas, invitations, suggestions, and pushes you away when you try to be close. After she pushes you as hard and as far away as she can, she’ll try to be affectionate with you. You’re still hurting from her previous rebuff or attack and don’t respond. Then she accuses you of being cold and rejecting, which she’ll use as an excuse to push you away again in the future.

Result: You feel undesirable, unwanted, and unlovable. You believe no one else would want you and cling to this abusive woman, grateful for whatever scraps of infrequent affection she shows you.

9) Withholding affection and sex. This is another form of rejection and emotional blackmail. It’s not just about sex, it’s about withholding physical, psychological, and emotional nurturing. It includes a lack of interest in what’s important to you–your job, family, friends, hobbies, activities–and being uninvolved, emotionally detached or shut down with you.

Result: You have a transactional relationship in which you have to perform tasks, buy her things, “be nice to her,” or give into her demands in order to receive love and affection from her. You don’t feel loved and appreciated for who you are, but for what you do for her or buy her.

10) Isolating. She demands or acts in ways that cause you to distance yourself from your family, friends, or anyone that would be concerned for your well-being or a source of support. This typically involves verbally trashing your friends and family, being overtly hostile to your family and friends, or acting out and starting arguments in front of others to make it as unpleasant as possible for them to be around the two of you.

Result: This makes you completely dependent upon her. She takes away your outside sources of support and/or controls the amount of interaction you have with them. You’re left feeling trapped and alone, afraid to tell anyone what really goes on in your relationship because you don’t think they’ll believe you.

Re: Signs of an abusive partner/spouse/church

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:09 pm
by _stemelbow
Come on Buffalo, don't you think its just a wee bit irresponsible to exploit abuse in this way? While I get people feel hurt (reasonable so) when they evolve into non-believers but this just seems way overdone. Srsly?

Re: Signs of an abusive partner/spouse/church

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:20 pm
by _Buffalo
stemelbow wrote:Come on Buffalo, don't you think its just a wee bit irresponsible to exploit abuse in this way? While I get people feel hurt (reasonable so) when they evolve into non-believers but this just seems way overdone. Srsly?


Yes, srsly. Are you telling me the church doesn't behave like this?

Re: Signs of an abusive partner/spouse/church

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:21 pm
by _just me
stem, this is a very serious topic. It may be uncomfortable, but that doesn't make it untrue.

D&C 132 is the perfect example of an abusive relationship.

Re: Signs of an abusive partner/spouse/church

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:30 pm
by _stemelbow
Sorry guys. I just can't agree with the spirit of your opinion here. No, i don't think the Church behaves like an abusive person. yes, i do feel bad that people who don't believe can feel, often feel isolated and alienated.

Re: Signs of an abusive partner/spouse/church

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:43 pm
by _Scottie
I'm sorry, but I MAYBE see parallels with the church in 1 or 2, but this is a pretty strained example.

Re: Signs of an abusive partner/spouse/church

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:45 pm
by _stemelbow
Scottie wrote:I'm sorry, but I MAYBE see parallels with the church in 1 or 2, but this is a pretty strained example.


I applaud you for stating your opinion here, Scottie. Thanks.

Re: Signs of an abusive partner/spouse/church

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:48 pm
by _just me
2. Control – He is overly demanding of your time and must be the center of your attention. He controls finances, the car, and the activities you partake in. Becomes angry if woman begins showing signs of independence or strength.


This may be the biggest one the church (or god if you prefer) has going for it. The church tells you to pay 10% of your income as "fire insurance" and also in order to be admitted into the temple....a place it claims you have to go for saving/exalting ordinances.
The church has hundreds of guidelines and teachings of what activities you can or should participate in. From what you can do on Sunday to what you can drink to what you can watch.
Feminism is frowned upon. It is a bad word in Relief Society. Any woman who speaks of a desire to hold the priesthood or participate in male church activities or explore a Goddess is in danger of punishment. Many have been excommunicated or ostrasized from the community.

3. Superiority – He is always right, has to win or be in charge. He always justifies his actions so he can be “right” by blaming you or others. A verbally abusive man will talk down to you or call you names in order to make himself feel better. The goal of an abusive man is to make you feel weak so they can feel powerful. Abusers are frequently insecure and this power makes them feel better about themselves.


We hear it every day. Anyone who disagrees is wrong. No matter what the church is right. That is the only acceptable anser.
Deisbelieving anything means that you are damaged or in the clutches of satan.

Re: Signs of an abusive partner/spouse/church

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:00 pm
by _stemelbow
just me wrote:
2. Control – He is overly demanding of your time and must be the center of your attention. He controls finances, the car, and the activities you partake in. Becomes angry if woman begins showing signs of independence or strength.


This may be the biggest one the church (or god if you prefer) has going for it. The church tells you to pay 10% of your income as "fire insurance" and also in order to be admitted into the temple....a place it claims you have to go for saving/exalting ordinances.
The church has hundreds of guidelines and teachings of what activities you can or should participate in. From what you can do on Sunday to what you can drink to what you can watch.
Feminism is frowned upon. It is a bad word in Relief Society. Any woman who speaks of a desire to hold the priesthood or participate in male church activities or explore a Goddess is in danger of punishment. Many have been excommunicated or ostrasized from the community.


One might think we’re avoiding each other if we don’t directly pose arguments against each others view. We don’t’ want that. So here goes.

The spirit of the “control” sign is that someone controls all of one’s finances and the controller becomes angry when a woman begins to show signs of independence. I think it takes a great deal of twisting to make this fit the Church. While I get the Church doesn’t have the best track record when it comes to women’s roles, I don’t think its fair to categorize it as the Church getting angry when a woman shows signs of independence. Afterall, we could take a poll and see how many women feel like they show signs of independence frequently without retribution. It’d be interesting to compare that with how you perceive things.

3. Superiority – He is always right, has to win or be in charge. He always justifies his actions so he can be “right” by blaming you or others. A verbally abusive man will talk down to you or call you names in order to make himself feel better. The goal of an abusive man is to make you feel weak so they can feel powerful. Abusers are frequently insecure and this power makes them feel better about themselves.


We hear it every day. Anyone who disagrees is wrong. No matter what the church is right. That is the only acceptable anser.
Deisbelieving anything means that you are damaged or in the clutches of satan.[/quote]
Again the spirit of this sign is much different then “anyone who disagrees is wrong” (even though that characterization, in my eyes, is wrong). If Scottie thinks this is a strained example I think its far beyond that. I really do. This is more like twisting and spinning it to meet an agenda. That’s exploiting abuse, if you ask me.

Re: Signs of an abusive partner/spouse/church

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:05 pm
by _bcspace
Taken from a couple of articles on signs of an abusive husband/girlfriend. How many parallels can you find with the Brighamite branch of the LDS Church?


None.