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Have you read much from our new poster ELYSAB? (If not check out the CK).

Say what you will, he has done some intensive studying and proposes quite a theory.

ELYSAB, have you shared your theories or knowledge with the leaders of the LDS church? Apologists at FARMS or the MI? Might you present your research at the FAIR conference next year?

Do you know who Rodney Meldrum is? He may be interested in your work.

It just seems to me that you have put together quite a body of work and it would add to the discussion of Mormonism to have your ideas in the mix.

What do you think?

Also, maybe you could start a thread here in the terrestrial forum with a brief summary of your theory? Just to give readers a taste of your work?

One last question... I hope it is not too personal but have you prayed and received any sort of confirmation of your theory regarding the Book of Mormon?

Welcome to the board ELYSAB!

:-)

~td~

ELYSAB.. where are you?

I can't bring myself to read his stuff. Too dense and jumbled. Summary?

Is he the new Nightlion?

Bump for ELYSAB!

I'm thinking we have, right here on our board, Nightlion, ELYSAB, and BC Space... all who seem to know the real story!

Then there is Warren Jeffs, Rodney Meldrum, the crew at FAIR, who else?

~td~

Buffalo wrote:I can't bring myself to read his stuff. Too dense and jumbled. Summary?

Is he the new Nightlion?

I think he mentioned he is from Brazil, so some of the problem may be that English is not his first language (his English is miles ahead of my Portuguese, though).

I do think that his belief in the location of the Book of Mormon stories has as much validity as the Meso-American version and the "Italian" version :).

He should get points for all the time he must have taken to create all these maps.

You are making judgment as the First Presidency judged me (if it is true, 1998... maybe it is just a "tale"?): without knowing me, and without knowing the case and circumstances... For just providing an instantaneous condemnation, without a trial. Without any chance for defense, without knowing of what I was being accused and condemned. Condemnation lasted many years. It was imposed the silence, as to teach, to any speech, to give any testimony or to go to the temple, etc. For sure I had written to the Prophet telling him about what I guess I had seen. Something very enigmatic and only I become aware of part of the information. Thus I concluded, in my ignorance, and ingenuity, that the prophet could be aware of the meaning of the other part. I was so afflict that it was a Saturday when I sent an express EMS letter to SLC to the prophet. By Wednesday night I was called to receive the full punishment, without right for appeal. Probably I was just dreaming and the event that was disturbing me was just a "dream" and I wrote about a "dream". It is what I guess based on 14 years latter, because the event didn't fulfill. Thus it was just a normal dream: not to worry about. And also not to worry about the prophet and not reason for so severe punishment.

Prophet is when a person acts under the power and call of the Church. Thus I am not such type of Official Prophet of the Church.

In any way, I believe that some persons can bring benefit for the humanity, in several aspects. Even can receive "some type of revelation or opening their minds and intelligence" as required for the activity and progress they are doing. As Guttenberg, the leaders of Protestantism, Colombo and others leaders of greater navigations, etc.

I am not a prophet of the LDS religion. But the opposite. Since long ago I knew that I have not been welcome among them, even in their LDS religion. My wife cried when knew I was to baptize LDS. Even offered for I have other woman, for I continue Muslim. You can see how bad was to be LDS in her eyes... Usually it is easier to publish in Jewish orthodox sites and even Islamic sites than LDS (as FAIR sites, except in one period I published in FAIR, recently I published in MORMONdialogue but soon ended the "dialogue"...). But it is difficult to examine, as I use some 20 pen-names.

Also I don't like the work of apologist.

And if I tell some things, I am accused of "eccentric" (to say the minimum), when dealing with some things. As if it is possible to have something living in one time, and next to a wall (or veil) we can have other people living in other time. And usually it is not possible to see simultaneously both people, as if side by side, as if the veil "kolob" is turned "visible" (or both "time" turned the same and you pass from one layer to the other). Seats of

Thus you are wasting your time. I am just a common person. Just a plain and simple LDS, without a call in the Church, even of visiting professor. I was "pardoned" (of nothing, many and many years latter), but the bitterness continued. Prophet passed away.

Hi ELYSAB,

Thanks for your thoughts.

I perhaps was not clear.

I have no condemnation toward you at all. I am not judging you but wanting to hear your revelations or inspirations.

It is clear you have spent a great deal of time and energy on your theories or beliefs and I wonder if your voice is not one that could be added to the general LDS discussions.

Also, you have shared an enormous amount of your research and it could be difficult to grasp it all so perhaps it would be beneficial to us if you would give a brief summary of your theory?

Thanks again,

~td~

Let’s start with a familiar site-forum for you: FAIR, for year 2005
And all such persons are just me, in my several pen-names.

http://ldsfriends.org/board/search.php?mode=results
Try Savelli which is SAV ELLI = SAB ELLI (just after Chris's days, in Rome) and moving back to Nephitic language it is ELLI SAB, ELY SAB, ELYSAB.

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It was usual some "Jews" independent persons make interventions and commentaries, thus they are not in the above list.

But there are the posts a High Priest LDS provided to the (Orthodox) Judaism sites. Maybe the viewpoints are not the same, as on Tree of Life and Garden of Life and on Temple. Quite like if I was providing on the Same Elephant and providing the viewing of it from the Trunk side and then from the Tail side. Distinct views of the same thing from distinct viewpoints. Impossible any syncretism from LDS side. If you are a prophet, you have to provide distinct views. Isaiah provided the correct view about Jesus Christ. Who "lived" only as any mortal man, and thus died as mortal man, the "greatest MORTAL prophet" (never died a God": God never Dies; Jesus was never the GREATEST GOD...); Jesus died as a Mortal and Prophet as Moses. The God in Jesus was inactive: into the Jesus' Living Temple, with all Kolob Veil 100% closed, all the time, the moment became mortal (it is in Book of Mormon). Thus turned a mortal became, closed "curtains of his Temple" and Jesus became as any of us:100.00000000% mortal. His Temple was "closed" (none self divinity power could provide through Jesus): any help/power that was required, was provided from other nearby "active Temple", the Heavenly Father's Temple in Duty, nearby, turned into next temporary “Jehovah"=Commanding us from Heaven. I am not your prophet.

Jehovah is quite like a "title" of power or of command, like in military structure. In an army we have a "general as commander of it". But one Army may have a branch of a greater Army, as if Sons are Branches power from a Father. Thus Heavenly Father is a "Greater General" or "greater Jehovah = Heavenly Commandant" than our "Jehovah", our "Sabaoth", Who is able to sat on the great "pew" or "chair" or command of the "great" commandant in chief, Heavenly in Chief. Who in fact "progressed" to such point. As in great past was just a mortal man, with Heavenly Mother, exactly as we are now, or as Jesus and his wife: quite powerless persons, living without active divine powers. In fact we have that Jehovah Gods are like PROXY DIVINE POWERS because they acquired two natures that became welded as one, impossible to separate, as if when we grafted one type of tree into another. In the case the distinction is very great, as the result is the union of the "general commandant Jehovah" into the "SUPREME JHOVAH BEING". Thus the result of the Union can reason as Jehovah himself and as SUPREME HEHOVAH = SUPREME BEING HIMSELF, with Jehovah being the "Divine VERB, SPOKESMAN, Proxy". They are distinct, but impossible to separate. In such sense, any "God" is the "supreme SERVANT, supreme PRIEST or PRIESTESS" of SUPREME BEING, the ONE GOD that I AM what I AM living in HIM or HER quite like the LIVING DIVINE TEMPLE, for ever. We could reason the SUPREME BEING something quite like as a SUPREME SPIRITUAL BEING, space and time (as "is" from "alpha" to "omega" to "alpha" as if in an "eternal circle" of supreme time, thus such attribute becomes of "Gods").
It is difficult to provide an explanation for the relationship between the SUPREME BEING, the ONE GOD, and the Gods, when the Model is provided for the INSIDE. Thus it is nice to use John 15:1 that is related to Heavenly Father and the Son relationship as being that of a branch of VINE FATHER becoming the VINE SON and with VINE SON becoming another VINE TREE. They are exactly of the SAME NATURE. A person who see the VINE FATHER also "see" the VINE SON as being exactly "EQUAL", same features and behavior. The VINE FATHER becomes proud that the VINE SON has branches that have great production of grapes of good quality that yields wine of great quality and amount. In fact the desire of a living tree is to have great and good descendants, equal to him. That is the righteous goal of the species: multiplication. But for that goal is achieved, there is need of combat of EVIL DISEASES. And in this teaching this is not done by the FATHER or the SON, but by something MORE POWERFUL. In the teaching such POWER is shown as being with ANIMAL FEATURES, able to gather such branches and to transport them to far away place (as if to HELL) to BURN THEM. As if to keep the VINEYARD clean of PARASITES and sickness. This is to show that there are TWO DISTINCT types of NATURES acting in DIVINE LIFE. One is quite like "vegetal" and other is quite like "animal" and we can see that the "little man" is the symbolism of the "supreme being, the ONE GOD, the SUPREME JEHOVAH", as if the little man that decided to plant and took care of the first grape vine... as is prior to any God. In such sense is the "supreme Father", not biological One.

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CLICK and SEE the very enlarged view of John 15:1-15:6


A more strict view of John 15:1-15:6

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CLICK and see much enlarged John 15:1-15:6


This is a more broad view of John



11 ¶And Moses said unto God, Who am I, that I should go unto Pharaoh, and that I should bring forth the children of Israel out of Egypt?

12 And he said, Certainly I will be with thee; and this shall be a token unto thee, that I have sent thee: When thou hast brought forth the people out of Egypt, ye shall serve God upon this mountain.

13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

14 And God said unto Moses, ---> here is SUPREME BEING, the OE GOD, talking through ONE GOD's "Verb", Jehovah (Supreme Proxy = Angel = God)
I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.

15 And God (ONE GOD) said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, (Qualified Who is our Jehovah=Direct God Commandant) The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

16 Go, and gather the elders of Israel together, and say unto them, The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, appeared unto me (Moses didn't see the Supreme being), saying, I have surely visited you, and seen that which is done to you in Egypt:

17 And I have said, I will bring you up out of the affliction of Egypt unto the land of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, unto a land flowing with milk and honey.


As LDS don’t like my suggestions, I felt free in providing suggestions as in where should it bee the Third Temple in Jerusalem, away from the traditional location, among the Mounts of Olives and provided the sketch of the design to modernity days. I guess the LDS will never do such work, hopping flames from heaven burn all… And many things did for Jews, as I have no bias against them. As how to recognize them for gathering back them, even among Indians: easy/fast procedure.