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Maybe you should be checking these guys out:

http://www.businessinsider.com/rick-per ... c-powers-1

I actually find it amazing that so much attention has been paid to Mitt Romney's commitment to his LDS values, but the media is ignoring a group of people that make Sarah Palin look downright mainstream.

This one is kind of hard to argue against:

http://www.businessinsider.com/rick-per ... tichrist-6

What exactly are we supposed to be afraid of?

Hoops wrote:What exactly are we supposed to be afraid of?

Really?????


With all the accusations that Mitt will get his marching orders from SLC yet the ultra uber conservative Christians out there are nothing to fear? Here are a few things I think are down right scary:

C. Peter Wagner, the godfather of the New Apostolic Reformation and an endorser of the The Response, claims that the 21st century is the beginning of a Second Apostolic Age in which God calls upon modern-day apostles to prepare the world for End Times. These so-called "generals in the army of god" are responsible for the cleansing and salvation of nations and communities, as well as of people.

According to this belief, the faithful must reestablish Christian control over the world — including its social institutions — before Christ can come back

Really? Is that biblical? Christ cannot come back till Christians are in control?

To achieve their goal of Christian dominion over the world, leaders of the New Apostolic Reformation are training a new generation of so-called "super-believers" to cleanse the world before the Second Coming.

This new breed of Christians — known as "Joel's Army" in the early days of the NAR movement — is now commonly referred to as the "Elijah Generation," or the "Elijah Revolution." NAR leaders refer to this youth movement in strikingly militant terms, referring to international missions as "military bases" and local churches as "armories."

The Elijah Generation theology is primarily directed at people in their teens and 20s — specifically anyone born after the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision — through marathon prayer revivals like TheCall and The International House of Prayer (IHOP), two Kansas City-based NAR groups actively involved in The Response.

To cleanse society for End Times, the Apostles use "spiritual warfare," to fight "social scourges,” which includes Mormonism, Catholic saint worship, homosexuality, witchcraft, and much in between.

Hoops I know you are not a fan of Mormonism but I hope you do not view it as a social scourge. People who refer to others who differ from them as scourges are scary.

The New Apostolic Reformation believes in a Christian dominion theology known as Reclaiming the Seven Mountains, which seeks to put believers in control of the seven forces that shape society: Business, government, media, arts and entertainment, education, family, and religion.

Infiltration of civilian government is key to fulfilling this mission:

Wagner, the top leader of the New Apostolic Reformation, prophesies that God will soon transfer wealth from the "ungodly" to the faithful.

"We can expect that God will release the wealth of the wicked that He has been promising to the righteous, large sums of wealth that will be used to bring about significant, measurable transformation," New Apostolic Reformation founder Wagner said in 2006.

In the New Apostolic Reformation, "Market Apostles" are charged with establishing Christian dominion over the "mountain" of business. Apostles are encouraged to combine their ministries with business and use paid prayer intercessors to facilitate financial growth

Where has God promised Christians a transfer of wealth?

So yea these wackos have a lot to of things that are fearful. If Rick Perry or Sarah Palin buy into their bilge they are far less qualified to be president than a temple endowed LDS person.

Find my anything equivalent in current LDS teachings and maybe you can persuade me differently.

Really?????

Yes. Really.

With all the accusations that Mitt will get his marching orders from Salt Lake City yet the ultra uber conservative Christians out there are nothing to fear? Here are a few things I think are down right scary:

Mitt IS a Mormon. What candidate self-identifies with this group?

Really? Is that biblical? Christ cannot come back till Christians are in control?

I don't recall the OP asking if their views are biblical, nor did I say they were, nor did I say I agreed with them.

Hoops I know you are not a fan of Mormonism

I certain am not.

but I hope you do not view it as a social scourge. People who refer to others who differ from them as scourges are scary.

Oh please. A bit melo dramatic wouldn't you say. These kinds of people, with these kinds of views, have been around forever. Why should we be afraid of them now? What's equally scary is that anyone would tie a tenuous string from this group to any politician just to further their polictical agenda.

Where has God promised Christians a transfer of wealth?

I have no idea. But you might check the LDS view on this. It would seem its view on this is not too far afield from the prosperity preaching that mcs condemn

So yea these wackos have a lot to of things that are fearful. If Rick Perry or Sarah Palin buy into their bilge they are far less qualified to be president than a temple endowed LDS person.

Is there any evidence that they have? Or is it that Perry and Palin are conservative therefor there must be some attachment. There just has to be.

Yet, strangely, the political agenda of this group is not a conservative position. Not even close to it.

Find my anything equivalent in current LDS teachings and maybe you can persuade me differently.

I don't even know what current LDS teaching is, or, better put, what PAST LDS teaching current LDS teaching is at odds with. Do you? And, one would assume, that there has been some prophetic pronouncement that has made this clear. Can you tell us these? There's the blacks in the priesthood (which was for bowl game revenue anyway), but what else?

With all the accusations that Mitt will get his marching orders from Salt Lake City yet the ultra uber conservative Christians out there are nothing to fear? Here are a few things I think are down right scary:

Mitt IS a Mormon. What candidate self-identifies with this group?

The article talked about Palin receiving a blessing from one of these persons to protect her from witches. Perry seems to be pandering to such groups.

Does one need to self identify with such a group? If they are sympathetic I think that is enough to cause concern.

Really? Is that biblical? Christ cannot come back till Christians are in control?

I don't recall the OP asking if their views are biblical, nor did I say they were, nor did I say I agreed with them.

I was curious to know your view.

Hoops I know you are not a fan of Mormonism

I certain am not.

Nor am I of Evangelical Christianity.

but I hope you do not view it as a social scourge. People who refer to others who differ from them as scourges are scary.

Oh please. A bit melo dramatic wouldn't you say.

Nope

These kinds of people, with these kinds of views, have been around forever. Why should we be afraid of them now? What's equally scary is that anyone would tie a tenuous string from this group to any politician just to further their polictical agenda.

Guess you better get after Time Magazine then because they had an op ed that implied just that.

Where has God promised Christians a transfer of wealth?

I have no idea.

Really? I thought with your Bible knowledge you could tell me yes or no. Well let me help you out. No.

But you might check the LDS view on this.
It would seem its view on this is not too far afield from the prosperity preaching that mcs condemn

CFR

So yea these wackos have a lot to of things that are fearful. If Rick Perry or Sarah Palin buy into their bilge they are far less qualified to be president than a temple endowed LDS person.

Is there any evidence that they have? Or is it that Perry and Palin are conservative therefor there must be some attachment. There just has to be.

Did you read the article. See my comment about Palin above.

Yet, strangely, the political agenda of this group is not a conservative position. Not even close to it.

I am conservative. I think this group is uber right wing fanatical Christians.

Find my anything equivalent in current LDS teachings and maybe you can persuade me differently.

I don't even know what current LDS teaching is, or, better put, what PAST LDS teaching current LDS teaching is at odds with. Do you?

Your point above is unclear to me so I cannot respond.

There's the blacks in the priesthood (which was for bowl game revenue anyway), but what else?

That was an asinine comment.

The size of the religious right coalition that is dominionist and balls-to-the-wall nuts is disturbingly large. NAR is slightly to the left of the Christian Reconstructionists and hold a fairly significant amount of influence in the Perry circle, which I suppose is worrisome.

Anyway:

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/

The article talked about Palin receiving a blessing from one of these persons to protect her from witches.

She was prayed over. And that somehow translates into her supporting their world domination? Come on.

Perry seems to be pandering to such groups.

In what way is Perry pandering to this specific group?

Does one need to self identify with such a group? If they are sympathetic I think that is enough to cause concern.

Sympathetic to what? If you're going to condemn someone, at least let us know what for.

I was curious to know your view.

Oh, I see. No, I do not share their view at all.

Nor am I of Evangelical Christianity.

Which has nothing to do with me.

Nope

Okay. can't do anything about that.

Guess you better get after Time Magazine then because they had an op ed that implied just that.

I don't care what Time thinks. I'm interested in what you think. And you seem to agree.

Really? I thought with your Bible knowledge you could tell me yes or no. Well let me help you out. No.

Agreed.

CFR

http://LDS.org/general-conference/2005/ ... e?lang=eng

Did you read the article. See my comment about Palin above.

Yes, I read the article. It was ridiculous. The only connection I found was that one of them prayed over Palin. So what?

I am conservative. I think this group is uber right wing fanatical Christians.

Then you're wrong. There is nothing right wing about what they believe, and much of what they espouse is outside mc Christian thought.

That was an asinine comment.

But true. The NCAA threatened to disallow BYU from competing in bowl games until the priesthood ban was lifted. Magically, the ban was lifted shortly thereafter.

EAllusion wrote:The size of the religious right coalition that is dominionist and balls-to-the-wall nuts is disturbingly large. NAR is slightly to the left of the Christian Reconstructionists and hold a fairly significant amount of influence in the Perry circle, which I suppose is worrisome.

Anyway:

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/

Yeah, a lot of scary stuff in there. I can see why you would be concerned.

Hoops wrote:What exactly are we supposed to be afraid of?

Crazy ideas put into action, irrational decision making and liver and onions.