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Here, Themis made this intriguing claim:

Themis wrote:the real problem for LDS is that there is plenty of evidence against. I can't think of another major religion that has so much evidence against it's claims.

This thread is designed to elicit posts from those that may think that there is more evidence against the claims of any other religion.

I dunno...

I don't see a lot of evidence that Xenu nuked a bunch of aliens billions of years ago and now their spirits are sucking the life force from our bodies.

I think that the more recent the origin of a given belief system, the more it subjects itself to objective analysis.

The Jehovah's Witnesses, the Seventh-Day Adventists, the Latter-Day Saint movement and Scientology are all young enough that there is much less difficulty ascertaining the provenance of documents relating to their origin, when compared to the documents concerning the origins of Judaism, Christianity, or Islam.

When compared with Scientology, Mormonism is comparatively difficult to analyze. When compared to the major world religions, whose origins extend back six centuries to six millennia, it is much, much easier.

Are there any groups out there boasting a restoration of any religious tenets from between 130,000 to 120,000 BCE?

Scottie wrote:I dunno...

I don't see a lot of evidence that Xenu nuked a bunch of aliens billions of years ago and now their spirits are sucking the life force from our bodies.

Are you sure you are cleared to a high enough level to be discussing these deep truths of Scientology?

Assuming for the moment that you are (somehow), I would agree that Scientology beats out Mormonism in outrageous and demonstrably false claims, probably by a narrower margin than many would think.

Scottie wrote:I dunno...

I don't see a lot of evidence that Xenu nuked a bunch of aliens billions of years ago and now their spirits are sucking the life force from our bodies.

They've cleverly disguised this process and now call it 'politics'

Scottie wrote:I dunno...

I don't see a lot of evidence that Xenu nuked a bunch of aliens billions of years ago and now their spirits are sucking the life force from our bodies.

My comments were about evidence against, not lack of evidence for.

DrW wrote:Are you sure you are cleared to a high enough level to be discussing these deep truths of Scientology?

Assuming for the moment that you are (somehow), I would agree that Scientology beats out Mormonism in outrageous and demonstrably false claims, probably by a narrower margin than many would think.

I disagree. There claims may be outrageous for most of us, but they are made in a way that they cannot be proven. Kind of like God cannot be proven to not exist. Mormonism is more demonstrably false becuase Joseph made many claims that can be looked at for evidence for or against like the Book of Mormon, Book of Abraham, etc. If I say the Goddess True Blue appeared to me and told me to write a book of scripture about how to live, it's going to be hard to show I am making it up. Now if I say the goddess gave me the story of an ancient people who lived a couple of thousands of years ago it will be much easier to see if there is evidence for or against.

the real problem for LDS is that there is plenty of evidence against. I can't think of another major religion that has so much evidence against it's claims.

Not at all. There is evidence against the global flood. But....

The LDS Church has no doctrinal problem with evolution. Regarding Book of Mormon horses, no evidence for is not evidence against. Children have been checked to no avail. There is too much missing papyri to show the Book of Abraham to be a problem. Etc. etc.

This thread is designed to elicit posts from those that may think that there is more evidence against the claims of any other religion.

So you think continual torture will reveal good information in this case?

bcspace wrote:
Not at all. There is evidence against the global flood. But....

but nothing. The church's doctrine claims the flood is global. Even you have admitted this, as well as admitting that there was no global flood.

The LDS Church has no doctrinal problem with evolution.

It has many problems, but I don't expect you to admit this.

Regarding Book of Mormon horses, no evidence for is not evidence against.

Horses is just one piece of evidence among many, and not even one of the better evidences. No evidence for is evidence against in many cases, and in this case it is evidence against the Book of Mormon. It's funny that people have told you how lack of evidence is evidence against certain claims, yet you still keep saying the same incorrect statement.

Children have been checked to no avail.

Another one of your stupid statements only becuase you admit that Joseph did marry many women and have sex with them. I have a hard time understanding why you say something so stupid considering what you are also willing to admit in regards to Joseph's polygamy.

There is too much missing papyri to show the Book of Abraham to be a problem. Etc. etc.

Again you show your ignorance. WE have the papyri in which the translation was claimed to be taken from. We have all three facsimiles in the Book of Abraham to check Joseph claims, etc. The Book of Abraham is more then enough on it's own to demonstrably show the church is not true. Keep trying though. I really wish they would let people like you write for Fair and MI.