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Let's say there is a good decent family, but they never joined the church. Like most people (in America at least) they've heard of Mormons, probable had Mormon missionaries knock on their door, but just never bought into it. Other than never joining the church they look like an ideal Mormon family. A husband and wife, white skinned of European descent, vote republican, married in their 20s, had 4 kids, man works, wife stays at home, they are faithful to each other throughout their lives. According to Mormonism, when they die they go to spirit prison. The missionaries visit them regularly in spirit prison, but they aren't interested in going to the CK, so they stay in spirit prison until judgment day. On judgment day, Jesus and Joseph Smith decide that even though they didn't join the Mormon church they are good people, so they are assigned to the middle kingdom. Joseph Smith offers the wife the opportunity to move into the CK by marrying him, but she politely declines. So the husband and wife are placed in the middle kingdom (terrestrial I think). When their kids die, they and their families join them there. So according to Mormonism, don't they get to live together forever in that kingdom, or are they forbidden from talking to one another? Is there a Mormon police force that separates them if they try to live together?

There might be force fields involved.

I don't see why not.

It was never about being "together forever," it was about being together in the CK forever. Sealing came about so that wives and children who might not otherwise qualify on their own could gain admittance to the CK via a worthy priesthood holder. Only after polygamy went away did they begin to emphasize family togetherness in the afterlife as if that were some unique benefit offered by Mormonism.

The lower kingdoms will be hell not because of estrangement from family, but because of unfulfilled potential. The idea is that merely spending eternity in the presence of your loved ones will be pretty lame compared to whatever the CK families are doing. No worlds, no spirit children, etc. You might think that you'll be perfectly happy just chilling with your family, but when you see what the righteous kids are up to you'll feel like a chump.

Yes they can, but those family members who had to sacrifice their 'access all areas' CK passes are going to be eternally ticked off.

As a young heretic I asked my mother why anyone would NOT accept the proxy baptism while in spirit prison.

Think about it. You die, see the bright light, go like the Millenium Falcon at the speed of light through space to arrive near Kolob where you find yourself in the joint, a.k.a. spirit prison, for not joining the Mormons on earth.

Along comes a spirit in standard issue shirt, tie, and dress pants. They tell you, and perhaps show you that your Mormon mortal work has been performed and asks you if you accept this to posthumously become a Mormon member.

WTF? Of course you will accept that because you already know the outcome of not accepting it. On top of that, the "missionary" is an obvious Mormon and is not incarcerated in the same slammer as you.

My mother would Trump me with the old "we will know everything when we die.

Stupid f'n religion.

I think it is really more about sex and procreation than families being together forever. Sure, you and your spouse, children, relatives can all hang out together in telestial glory, but only those at the top of the pyramid get to have sex with their spouse(s) and enjoy the continuation of seed forever. I guess us apostates will all be neutered when we are resurrected, those worthy of exaltation will not. Why else do you think the first resurrection is so awesome?

Or maybe those in the lower kingdoms are just put on permanent birth control?

Phillip wrote:I think it is really more about sex and procreation than families being together forever. Sure, you and your spouse, children, relatives can all hang out together in telestial glory, but only those at the top of the pyramid get to have sex with their spouse(s) and enjoy the continuation of seed forever. I guess us apostates will all be neutered when we are resurrected, those worthy of exaltation will not. Why else do you think the first resurrection is so awesome?

Or maybe those in the lower kingdoms are just put on permanent birth control?

Forced sterilization -- the hallmark of any truly loving god!

Other than never joining the church they look like an ideal Mormon family. A husband and wife, white skinned of European descent, vote republican, married in their 20s, had 4 kids, man works, wife stays at home, they are faithful to each other throughout their lives.

I don't see what being white or Republican (all they need to be are true conservatives) has to do with it.

On judgment day, Jesus and Joseph Smith decide

Or, according to 1 Cor 6:2, any number of people.

that even though they didn't join the Mormon church they are good people, so they are assigned to the middle kingdom.

The only way one can receive the testimony of Jesus, a requirement for both the Celestial and Terrestial glories, is to join the LDS (or ancient or heavenly equivalent) Church. So they would end up in the Telestial.

Joseph Smith offers the wife the opportunity to move into the CK by marrying him, but she politely declines.

Quite the imagination you have there.

So the husband and wife are placed in the middle kingdom (terrestrial I think).

Going to be Telestial, but I don't this difference is relevant to your question.

When their kids die, they and their families join them there. So according to Mormonism, don't they get to live together forever in that kingdom, or are they forbidden from talking to one another? Is there a Mormon police force that separates them if they try to live together?

I think the only thing one can say that agrees with LDS doctrine in this case is that only in the highest degree of the CK are marriages recognized. I personally think no one is prevented from talking to one another, but the relationships one had in mortality, not being sealed, would tend to fade away.

jon wrote:Yes they can, but those family members who had to sacrifice their 'access all areas' CK passes are going to be eternally ticked off.

lol little children, please, the only ones to retain full identity will be those who gain exaltation. If everyone of your family gets this then your family is forever. Like on the other thread about eternal neutering there will not be the sexual identities that families relate with in lower kingdoms and not even 100% in the Celestial Kingdom. So it's like a being will come up to you and ask if you are so and so. You say yeah, and they say, cool. you were my dad. That person over there was my sister. You can't recognize her can you. Oh hell. It undoes everything we loved here. We cannot retain who we were. Oh hell. Like, did I even go to High School? Damn!

relationships one had in mortality, not being sealed, would tend to fade away.

And how would this happen, exactly?