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Consider that LDS' claims about post-death kingdoms for eternity is true. bcspace as said to get into CK or TerrK requires joining the ancient church, COJCOLDS, or the spirit world church. Now we all know that the CK is reserved for the real sticks-in-the-mud.

It sounds like the TerrK will be where the sell-outs will be.

Outerdarkness with beelzebub, not so fun. Just a bit harsh, at least per LDS descriptions.

So, hey, that means the TeleK will be the place to be, kind of like the Studio 54 for eternity.

I'll be seeing all you fun people there--if the LDS 'policy' is correct.

sock puppet wrote:Consider that LDS' claims about post-death kingdoms for eternity is true. bcspace as said to get into CK or TerrK requires joining the ancient church, COJCOLDS, or the spirit world church. Now we all know that the CK is reserved for the real sticks-in-the-mud.
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BC is full of BS on this one. I have demonstrated to him numerous times that the honorable of the earth, even if non LDS, can by in the Terrestrial. He simply takes one passage that those not valiant in the testimony of Christ go there and like McConkie argue that one must be LDS to have a testimony of Christ by the HG so only less valiant LDS go to the terrestrial. Pure bunk even based on LDS doctrine.

But I tire of talking to a wall so I do not bother with BC much.

bcspace as said to get into CK or TerrK requires joining the ancient church, COJCOLDS, or the spirit world church

Which are the same church lest we forget.

I have demonstrated to him numerous times that the honorable of the earth, even if non LDS, can by in the Terrestrial. He simply takes one passage that those not valiant in the testimony of Christ go there

Then you haven't been paying attention. D&C 76:99-101 has people of varying religions ending up in the Telestial, even Christians and Jews. And why is that says the verses? Because they did not receive the testimony of Jesus. If they had, they would have joined his Church. Notice also in the description for the Terrestial that it includes those who afterwards received it. There is no other testimony of Jesus being preached except joining Jesus' (LDS) Church by baptism for the dead in this case. Hence yet again, one must ultimately have joined the LDS Church before the resurrection in order to inherit the Terrestial or higher.

bcspace wrote: Hence yet again, one must ultimately have joined the LDS Church before the resurrection in order to inherit the Terrestial or higher.

So Jason's wrong and Sock Puppet is right? I was really pulling for Jason on this one.

Hence yet again, one must ultimately have joined the LDS Church before the resurrection in order to inherit the Terrestial or higher.

So Jason's wrong and Sock Puppet is right? I was really pulling for Jason on this one.

Maybe he's confusing the fact that one can be of another religion in this life and still inherit the Terrestial or Celestial if they convert in the afterlife, provided they didn't already have an opportunity in mortality.

bcspace wrote:

bcspace as said to get into CK or TerrK requires joining the ancient church, COJCOLDS, or the spirit world church

Which are the same church lest we forget.

Comedy gold!

I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints,
The sinners are much more fun...

~B. Joel

I've heard this "as long as they didn't have a chance in mortality" business a lot, but I've never seen a scripture that supports it. Where does it come from? Where does it say that after you die you can't change your mind?

After all, knowing that there is an afterlife might change a lot of minds.

I've heard this "as long as they didn't have a chance in mortality" business a lot, but I've never seen a scripture that supports it. Where does it come from? Where does it say that after you die you can't change your mind?

After all, knowing that there is an afterlife might change a lot of minds.

By implication, the various preaching the gospel in the afterlife verses in the New Testament and D&C. Something more specific would be:

71 And again, we saw the terrestrial world, and behold and lo, these are they.......
74 Who received not the testimony of Jesus in the flesh, but afterwards received it.
D&C 76

bcspace wrote:

I've heard this "as long as they didn't have a chance in mortality" business a lot, but I've never seen a scripture that supports it. Where does it come from? Where does it say that after you die you can't change your mind?

After all, knowing that there is an afterlife might change a lot of minds.

By implication, the various preaching the gospel in the afterlife verses in the New Testament and D&C. Something more specific would be:

71 And again, we saw the terrestrial world, and behold and lo, these are they.......
74 Who received not the testimony of Jesus in the flesh, but afterwards received it.
D&C 76

I don't understand why it would make a difference when someone received the testimony of Jesus as long as he received it eventually... or, at least before the Final Judgement.

Why would God want to discriminate against those who didn't receive a testimony of Jesus during mortality? I thought that God was supposed to be our Father who wanted all of His children to return to him. Doesn't He want those who finally gained a testimony of Jesus in Spirit Prison go to the Celestial Kingdom to live with Him? Are they less pure, somehow, than those who gained a testimony of Jesus in mortality? Is God somehow constrained by law from allowing these of His children to inherit the CK?

I mean, I just don't get it. Suppose that someone is a kind, generous, righteous Buddhist his whole life, but when the missionaries find him in his old age, he's set in his ways, and understandably isn't interested in reading the Book of Mormon or learning about Jesus. Apparently, even if he accepts Christ in Spirit Prison, the best he can get is the Terrestrial, and this in spite of the fact that he lived a good, clean life--even a Christian life, without realizing it.

But then suppose that someone is a fornicating, live-in-girlfriend-abusing, drug-abusing, non-child-support-paying thief until he's about 30 or 40, and upon being released from prison, he meets the missionaries, sees the light, repents, and changes his ways. He gets baptized, sealed in the temple, etc. But he has hurt a lot of people. His children and victims have suffered greatly due to his misdeeds, and he can't really make it up to them. He hasn't lived nearly as virtuous a life as the Buddhist. Yet, he'll be eligible for the CK.

Seems pretty twisted to me. It also seems to directly contradict the parable of the laborers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of ... e_Vineyard