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We should evaluate the Christianism (Mormonism) from other viewpoint, quite like very much speculative in nature for linking several viewpoints. What could we use to link nowadays symbol of Israel, the Star of David (David's Star) with old Israel Symbol, the Candle with 7 flames (lamps) at the Temple, the Menorah? Should there be some relationship? Why there is such relationship? What is the symbolic meaning? Could it be expanded?

Also, what could be relationship of the God Holly Ghost, with the God Man of Hollyness and with the God the Son of the Man of Hollyness? And withe their Heavenly Fathers? With the Supreme Being, the One God, in the sense He had no other God, was the SUPREME and First One, that had no father or mother or companion?

For sure Jesus had joy in using the Vide (that is nice to produce wine) as quite like a model for the TREE OF LIFE, for quite obvious reason. Thus it leads to some model quite like this one, in which we may have some huge model of a SUPREME TREE, in which we may have an endless SUREME BEING and so endless other trees that are GRAFTED into such endless SUPREME BEING, and in such a way the SUPREME BEING can send HIS INFLUENCE, his DIVINE SAP all over the endless SUPREME TREE, in a living way... Think about.

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You should reason that SUPREME BEING is not necessarily HUMAN or ANIMAL. This is our reasoning. Thus SUPREME BEING is "what" HE is, thus can be living inside and outside the SUPREME BEING "vide"... and all GodS are just living as "TREE of LIFE" only. Supreme Being is the GARDNER taking care of Himself/Itself, as CLEANING the falling sick branches/leaves, to burn them away... (in HELL?). Sanitary?

At the right down corner you can see the relative position of our ELOHIM, our Direct Jehovah God (Sabaoth God) and our nowadays Holly Ghost and their relationship with the thick stem coming from the MAIN CORE of the SUPREME BEING, as if from the "place" (?) and "time" (?) where when the I AM WHAT I AM was before all Creations were before it started in the DECISION of SUPREME BEING to start them... We can see the sequence of CREATIONS, infinite ones, up to reach our Elohim's creation.

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This is the same previous FIGURE, quite like a 3-Dimensional view of all Gods and the SUPREME BEING, the ONE GOD (just ONE as such) on the Divinity heavenly environments, that now is transposed to more close to the mortal understanding. We think that this is the case because it is the idea behind John 15:1, but nobody noticed that Jesus stressed very much that his Father, the MAN of HOLLYNESS is exactly as Jesus is: just a TREE, a TREE OF LIFE. Thus the HUSBANDMAN is never the Heavenly Father, but is another FATHER. In fact we have another FATHER, from HEAVEN, and HE is the SUPREME BEING, as HEAVENLY fATHER IS JUST THE "provider" of our LIFE, but the ESSENCE of LIFE was provided him from an ultimate source that is: SUPREME BEING. Think about. When you are father or mother, in fact you are not creating LIFE, but you are transmiting a LIFE that is in you, and you received from us, from your ancestors, from God, thus from SUPREME BEING. If had He not decided to start the SUPREME CREATION, you had not provided the life to your descendent(s). Think about. Life is a GIFT from ONE GOD.

WTF.

ELYSAB,

Are you familiar with Blake Ostler? If not, you should look into his work. Your tree model is identical to his multiverse model. The root of your tree is the empty background space-time where the equivalent of your non-human "supreme being" (a human couldn't occupy the background foam of the multiverse) lives while bubbles universes such as ours randomly form, "grafted" if you will, into the multiverse, become the domain of biological Gods.

That MDD had a problem with your theories is very strange, given that on close inspection, your theories are similar to many of theirs.

This "theory" was first disclosed in 1.997-1.998 in the Jewish environment, for Kabala, for the Tree of Life discussion. The original reasoning can be reproduced here. It was nothing welcome in the Jewish environment, even if removing the Christian like Gods and replacing with Sephirot like concepts. It was also sent to one friend that was one director (?) of the Temple of Sao Paulo, Brazil, at that time, etc.
In fact the concept of the Supreme Tree of Life is not a LINEAR model as it is presented, but it is more than a three-dimensional model, because it can spread on time (x, y, z, T) and we have several type of TIME, THUS it is as if we have multi-layers of 3-dimentional spaces. Quite like if we have a VINE spreading in several layers, each one yielding grapes and also having endless growth toward all "directions" in time and space. What it is interesting is that we are not the "supreme vine trine of life" (or that would be PANTHEISM), but we may become GRAPHTED to it as God being, thus there is some INTERFACE between the SUPREME TREE OF LIFE, the "ONE GOD" and each "God" (all ways a distinct "God" at the point of insertion, of the "grafting"). Thus a Tree of Life is God because it is CONNECTED, GRAFTED, to the ONE GOD's = SUPREME BEING's "STEM" that is part of SUPREME BEING. Pay attention to the details of the RIGHT DOWN CORNER of the first drawing. Maybe it is not that clear...

In some other posted articles it is clear that such CONNECTION is at the most INNER PART of each and all and any God Being (MALE or FEMALE), which is like the MOST INNER and SACRED PART of a LIVING TEMPLE, that is any living God's Temple, where inhabit the allways the same and only ONE GOD as SUPREME BEING. And as if a "VEIL, as if a Kolob" separates the MOST SACRED between the ONE GOD and each God (there is no Goddess, a Heavenly Mother is just the same God with the Heavenly Father, the Husband). Such "Veil" controls the "GLORY" that the ONE GOD releases to outside God's Living Temple as God's Glory that can be changed from a Mortal Person (as ressurrected Jesus in contact with Apostle and friends in Jerusalem without "full glory" or just "as any person") to the full ONE GOD's glory no mortal person can support to remain mortal ...

Our TIME, the mortality TIME, has no meaning, for Heavenly purpose.
It has no meaning for "models" like we are dealing with. See so many other articles I provided and published (even in Israel) since 1991. We must deal with absolute Divinity TIME ("T") and convert mortality time into God's Time. ONE GOD's time are alike into "Circle Times"...

ELYSAB wrote:This "theory" was first disclosed in 1.997-1.998

Wow, that's almost 2.

Our LOCAL "Tree of Life", in which we originated as "Spiritual Sons" born as "Heavenly Spirits" (as Jesus also was born, also as Mary), as Heavenly Elohim's House, has as symbol the "MENORAH, the 7 BRANCHED CANDLE burning olive oil", at the portable Temple and then at the Temple in Jerusalem. Not yet in LDS Temples (not yet restored...). In fact such symbol of primordial TREE OF LIFE "House, Temple", and of our Fathers, is just shown as in the SHADOW of something 3-dimensional, of a TREE SYMBOLISM, of the HOUSE OF ISRAEL as a TREE. Thus it is linked to the DAVID's STAR (Ariel) SYMBOLISM crowning it. It is just a matter of proper viewpoint. If your viewpoint is "narrow", it is guided toward the SHADOW (of a BIDIMENSIONAL figure) and you can't see the 3-dimensional TREE itself (a three-dimensional solid figure), and even you can't see such TREE in "n-dimensional spaces", as through greater order of TIME.


Thus the MODERN SYMBOL of ISRAEL (political symbol, David Star) is EXACTLY the same OLD SYMBOL OF ISRAEL (religious symbol, Menorah, Temple Symbol). There are many other ways to demonstrate the equivalence and also the equivalence with TREE OF LIFE (the very old past and the FUTURE DAYS, after the END OF DAYS of mortality).


It is "speculated" that on pure persons from Judah and Benjamin tribe it is "generated" on below their faces the figures of the "CROWN" (as in JUDAH and BENJAMIN: strange, they are the BASIS = FOUNDATIONS of KINGDOM of JUDAH) and above their eyebrows the "STAR OF DAVID" (which is exactly the Temple MENORAH CANDLES), that means they are to have political domain over Israel and religious domain over the TEMPLE and over the TREE OF LIFE ruling us, as both are THE SAME THING (symbolism), as you can SEE HERE, and in other WAYS TO PROVIDE THE SAME SYMBOLISM RELATIONSHIP, "dualism", to be shown in other ways, as on TRIBES:

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The MENORAH CANDLES with 7 LAMPS burning olive OIL is the symbolism of one TREE OF LIFE, of the HEAVENLY FATHER (on center) and with HEAVENLY MOTHERS besides Him, as providers of LIFE = LIGHT = EXISTENCE for us live as spiritual beings, their spiritual SONS in their HOMES, our primordial HOUSE, our first HEAVENLY HOME, in Heavenly Jerusalem, our Heavenly Temple where we were BORN Spirit Sons, sons of light, sons of Their LIGHT. Jesus didn't say he was cleaning HIS House, HIS Temple. He was taking care of it and working and speaking as VERB, SPOKESMAN of Heavenly Father in relation to HIS House. Child. Couple of Gold Angels.

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Thus the MODERN SYMBOL of ISRAEL (political symbol, David Star) is EXACTLY the same OLD SYMBOL OF ISRAEL (religious symbol, Menorah, Temple Symbol). There are many other ways to demonstrate the equivalence and also the equivalence with TREE OF LIFE (the very old past and the FUTURE DAYS, after the END OF DAYS). ELYSAB.

Sethbag wrote:WTF.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

When Israel was celebrating 50 years anniversary of its restoration as independent political nation, I made available some studies about what is to be a Jew person for the state of Israel, as local or worldwide citizen and such material was made available in Israel. Some persons got "angry" with some pictures of some "Israelites" praying next to the ruins of the Second Temple.

And I provided some clues (not religious one) about who were in fact "traditional Israelites" and those who were quite like recent converted ones, without true links with Israel people. Quite like as if a person that entered into USA without a valid passport, at least for religious purposes, as they were at the remains of the second temple...

Others persons just had fun and accepted that as "mockery", from a friend of South America, from a "Lamanite", that had a son with a woman quite like Jewish from a very old, very ancient Jewish family from the Babylon days before the return to Israel... (from KOCHake = KOCH aches, "Kochake's", a double joined surname = Jewish: some Jews have the first part=KOCH, others have the last part of it...).


Happy New Year from friends of Year... with FACE IDENTIFICATION...

One day some Jews asked to the Arab Prophet, Muhammad, how could he identify and separate ARABS and ISRAELITES, just looking at their faces? (It was never imposed the VEIL for the women by the ARAB Prophet... That was by the Persians, much latter death of Prophet...).

The Prophet answered that it was very easy. Even before they were born, the Lord knew they were a very rebelled and obstinated people. Thus the Lord ordered that when they were born they receive the Lord's mark, as if the mark that is put when a cattle is born. Thus an incandescent iron mark is put on the skin of the cattle to mark them for life. The same the angels do for the Israelites. They receive an incandescent like iron mark on their faces near their noses, on their faces. That is to make it easier for the angels hunter to find and gather back them as a herd, Lord's heard.

Thus all Israelites, if they know or not, they are a rebelled cattle, and they are born "marked" with Lord's mark, as if of a special "herd" and there is no way they can hide mixing with other cattle. They are private and special property of Lord's cattle. They are well "marked".

It appears it tribe has one type of "mark" for their members. Maybe it is like the type of horn or height or breast/milk production, width, length, skin color, weight, behavior, etc. coupled to the "face incandescent mark".

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This is for an INDIAN MAYAN person. It was made studies for Indians persons for several tribes of USA and CANADA and their tentative Israel's tribes. Quite like this following study.

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This HUPA Indian woman appears to be of BENJAMIM tribe...
Instead of the Church's way, it is introduced the Cattle raises way, of the mixed tribes, with a DOMINANT RACE and TRIBE in the sons.
Most of these materials were destroyed with end of Geocities...

What would the MEANING of the FIGURES (above and below the marks, like DAVID's STAR and the CROWN) that are GENERATED from the FIGURES that "originated" on FACES? Some are just STRAIGHT LINES, like for the EPHRAIM TRIBE (not to "rule/govern" Israel...?).

The relationship of one TREE OF LIFE (FATHER) with TREE OF LIFE (Sons) in the environment of the SUPREME BEING, the just ONE GOD

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Reason that at first there was only Heavenly FatherS in ELOHIM God and They had as Symbolism representation the TREE OF LIFE, which is just one portion of the symbolism of the main SUPREME TREE OF LIFE, as their symbolism of ELOHIM (who is male and female TREE OF LIFE is GRAFTED in the SUPREME TREE OF LIFE, the symbolism for the ONE GOD, that is not male or female: the I AM "WHAT" I AM, never became "father" or "mother" in human reasoning...

Here you can see in the LEFT side of the FIGURE, the ELOHIM God in the representation of Heavenly Father, as VINE FATHER. For sure the Heavenly Father (and also our Heavenly Mothers, as "Mary", Spiritual mother of Jesus) are Living Temples for the One God, the Supreme Being (Supreme Tree of Life) live inside (could be as if the main pipes from Supreme Tree of Life is "stretching into" the Gods and providing the Supreme "Sap" priesthood power and communication...).

Also the SUPREME BEING is ALSO "outside" the Trees of Life who are the symbolism of God, common Trees of Life, as walking and gathering Dead Falling Leaves and Branches, as the little Gardner = HUSBANDMAN, and transporting the ROTTING and SICK things to far away, to BURN...

For sure that FEATURE, "animal like", is not a task of the common Gods ("vegetal life like", as Heavenly Father and as our Jehovah God and as our Holly Ghost. They are just Divine SUPREME BRANCHES of VEGETAL LIFE LIKE that are GRAFTED into the SUPREME TREE OF LIFE, just ONE BEING, the ONE TREE (animal and vegetal life form), the ONE GOD, and SUPREME ONE. They are just VINE SONS.

Even Heavenly Son one day was VINE SON of another Heavenly Father, as He also lived as a WEAK MORTAL BRANCH (SON), as Jesus lived with us. Not as the greatest of all GODS, but as greatest of all "gods = PROPHETS = God's SERVANTS". For sure a SON is never greater than the Father that sent him and backed up him...

You can see that the VINE FATHER, as Tree of Life (in ELOHIM), had many BRANCHES. Almost of them were GRAFTED into the Tree of Life SON, as little BRANCHES. Some became so big, while living in primordial Home, in Rock of Heaven, that they "bended" and reached the "ground, the soil" and they developed their own "roots". Thus they "progressed" from a simple "branch" into a "tree", yet into a "tree of life". Thus having capacity to generate their own "sap” or to have their own "priesthood of divinity" (capacity of generation") order, quite like Adam, Jesus, Holly Ghost... Thus they can be HELPERS to take care of Son’s Tree of LIFE grow it and take care of its wicked parts and attacks. Also SUPREME BEING, as if the LITTLE MAN, can do the same, as if the GARDNER acting from outside and inside, as if providing the proper DIVINE SUPREME SAP we receive...

You can see that the SUPREME TREE OF LIFE "SON" past through a severe "TEST" as it was RAISED OUT OF "HEAVENLY GOUND". So it remained INTACT as a TREE OF LIFE, but its ROOTS were RAISED out of GROUND. Thus unable to generates its own DIVINE SAP, its divine powers of priesthood self order, while in mortality (it was not in Divine environment, but into MORTALITY ENVIRONMENT... as if ON THE AIR.................... MORTAL AIR..........). Thus the SON Tree of LIFE WAS NOT ABLE TO GENERATE self divine power, even if it remained intact as TREE. Heavenly Father and thus All Gods and the SUPREME BEING had "RAISED" the SON TREE OF LIFE out of the HEAVENLY GROUND. Thus all SELF POWERS were SHUT OFF, the self DIVINITY PRIESTHOOD WAS made inactive (but not removed, as if the proxy powers to make deals in Cuba or in enemy kingdoms). But all such required powers continued to FLOW INTO such SON of LIFE from other Gods through the THICK STEMS, as required, as provided to the God's PROPHETS, as SERVANTS, mainly He being the greatest of all prophets on Earth: 'god's greatest prophet".

In the moment of the DEATH of such SON, suddenly all ROOTS came back into the GROUND, yes, into the HEAVENLY GROUND, and the full SELF SAP DIVINE POWERS CAPACITY WAS BACK and all of us, just little branches grafted into such SON TREE OF LIFE, who was being fed by the normal power supply, from its own ROOTS.