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Loss of belief in a devil...
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:12 pm
by _Mad Viking
was more painful than my belief in a god. The LDS devil was a lot of fun to me. At times he was an evil genius, other times a bumbling bafoon. I always enjoyed stories about Satanic encounters because you never knew what form satan was going to take. However, it was always entertaining and mostly comical. Bummer.
Re: Loss of belief in a devil...
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:28 pm
by _Some Schmo
Not believing in the big bad boogeyman came for me long before I dropped belief in god. It was always so obvious to me he was the king of scapegoats and a religious cartoon.
There's little about religion that's less sophisticated than the Satan concept.
Re: Loss of belief in a devil...
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:38 pm
by _Buffalo
The whole idea of Satan really falls apart when you realize that Satan was originally envisioned as a servant of El, and a god himself, not a fallen figure.
Wiki summary:
Job's Satan
In the Book of Job, ha-Satan is a member of the divine council, "the sons of God" who are subservient to God. Ha-Satan, in this capacity, is many times translated as "the prosecutor", and is charged by God to tempt humans and to report back to God all who go against His decrees. At the beginning of the book, Job is a good person "who feared God and turned away from evil" (Job 1:1), and has therefore been rewarded by God. When the divine council meets, God informs ha-Satan about Job's blameless, morally upright character. Between Job 1:9–10 and 2:4–5, ha-Satan merely points out that God has given Job everything that a man could want, so of course Job would be loyal to God; if all Job has been given, even his health, were to be taken away from him, however, his faith would collapse. God therefore grants ha-Satan the chance to test Job.[11] Due to this, it has been interpreted that ha-Satan is under God's control and cannot act without God's permission. This is further shown in the epilogue of Job in which God is speaking to Job, ha-Satan is absent from these dialogues. "For Job, for [Job's] friends, and for the narrator, it is ultimately Yahweh himself who is responsible for Job's suffering; as Yahweh says to the 'satan', 'You have incited me against him, to destroy him for no reason.'" (Job 2:3) [7]
Re: Loss of belief in a devil...
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:43 pm
by _just me
A loss of a belief in satan was the BEST thing ever for me! Such a relief. I was also relieved to know devils and demons weren't haunting us or going to attack us or anything.
The Three Nephites, however. Well, I'm still smarting over that one.
Re: Loss of belief in a devil...
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:46 pm
by _Darth J
just me wrote:A loss of a belief in satan was the BEST thing ever for me! Such a relief. I was also relieved to know devils and demons weren't haunting us or going to attack us or anything.
The Three Nephites, however. Well, I'm still smarting over that one.
I believe that the Three Nephites are demons. That's how I dealt with it.
Re: Loss of belief in a devil...
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:50 pm
by _bcspace
The LDS devil was a lot of fun to me. At times he was an evil genius, other times a bumbling bafoon. I always enjoyed stories about Satanic encounters because you never knew what form satan was going to take. However, it was always entertaining and mostly comical. Bummer.
I'd rather have the apron he wears in the live sessions. It's pretty cool.
;)
Re: Loss of belief in a devil...
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:56 pm
by _just me
Darth J wrote:just me wrote:A loss of a belief in satan was the BEST thing ever for me! Such a relief. I was also relieved to know devils and demons weren't haunting us or going to attack us or anything.
The Three Nephites, however. Well, I'm still smarting over that one.
I believe that the Three Nephites are demons. That's how I dealt with it.
Damn. See, I'd been working off the belief that they were hot, ever-young, gay men..
Re: Loss of belief in a devil...
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:23 pm
by _Nightlion
just me wrote:Darth J wrote:
I believe that the Three Nephites are demons. That's how I dealt with it.
Damn. See, I'd been working off the belief that they were hot, ever-young, gay men..
Gay? Why Gay? That's just vile. Small wonder this generation refuses to see The Apocalrock.
Which now proves Satan/Lucifer a true icon of God's story board from the beginning.
4 Nephi
30 Therefore they did exercise power and authority over the disciples of Jesus who did tarry with them, and they did cast them into prison; but by the power of the word of God, which was in them, the prisons were rent in twain, and they went forth doing mighty miracles among them.
31 Nevertheless, and notwithstanding all these miracles, the people did harden their hearts, and did seek to kill them, even as the Jews at Jerusalem sought to kill Jesus, according to his word.
32 And they did cast them into furnaces of fire, and they came forth receiving no harm.
33 And they also cast them into dens of wild beasts, and they did play with the wild beasts even as a child with a lamb; and they did come forth from among them, receiving no harm.
Re: Loss of belief in a devil...
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:31 pm
by _Christian Avenger
"And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light." (2 Corinthians 11:14)
Given the Satanic origins of Mormonism it should come as no surprise that those who eventually reject the cult of Joseph Smith lose their fears of demonic influences.
Re: Loss of belief in a devil...
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:58 pm
by _Corpsegrinder
So...in other words we're NOT supposed to reject the Cult of Joseph Smith, right?