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Three methods of discovering "the truth"
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:58 pm
by _keithb
Method 1: Wiccan spellLet me see where I am blind,
Let the seal on my third eye unwind,
Separate the truth and lies,
And show them to me in my eyes.
Method 2: Voodoo truth ritualTruth spell #1
By: mr.wizard
Materials:
* Thyme
* A red candle
* An herb dish
Pour the Thyme into the herb dish and say:
"Purification I do conjure
So that thoughts be spoke,
No be pondered"
Light the candle and say:
"Passion so red,
Set to the fire,
Let the truth be said,
As is my desire"
Drop red wax onto the herbs and say:
"Mists of thyme,
Fire of red,
Send the truth to my head"
Now go to your front door and release the herbs to the wind. You shall let thyme fly and receive the truth.
Method 3: Mormon truth ritual 3 Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how amerciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and bponder it in your chearts.
4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would aask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not btrue; and if ye shall ask with a csincere heart, with dreal intent, having efaith in Christ, he will fmanifest the gtruth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may aknow the btruth of all things.
Is there one reason why members of the church trust method number three and not methods one and two for discovering "the truth"?
Re: Three methods of discovering "the truth"
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:14 pm
by _Some Schmo
keithb wrote:Is there one reason why members of the church trust method number three and not methods one and two for discovering "the truth"?
Methods #1 and 2 aren't the LDS brand of nonsense. They like to stick to their preferred brand.
Re: Three methods of discovering "the truth"
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:17 pm
by _Buffalo
If you want to test the validity of any of the three, employ them to try to verify something falsifiable. Like a hidden card or lottery numbers.
Re: Three methods of discovering "the truth"
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:20 pm
by _keithb
Some Schmo wrote:Methods #1 and 2 aren't the LDS brand of nonsense. They like to stick to their preferred brand.
But, this is the problem. A priori, there is no reason to believe in any of the methods of finding "truth" that I listed above. They're all a compilation of nonsensical statements and ideas.
How is talking quietly to yourself and waiting for a good "feeling" any different than reciting the four lines of the Wiccan spell and waiting for whatever-the-hell answer is supposed to come from that?
Re: Three methods of discovering "the truth"
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:30 pm
by _Some Schmo
keithb wrote:Some Schmo wrote:Methods #1 and 2 aren't the LDS brand of nonsense. They like to stick to their preferred brand.
But, this is the problem. A priori, there is no reason to believe in any of the methods of finding "truth" that I listed above. They're all a compilation of nonsensical statements and ideas.
How is talking quietly to yourself and waiting for a good "feeling" any different than reciting the four lines of the Wiccan spell and waiting for whatever-the-hell answer is supposed to come from that?
Oh, I completely agree; they're all nonsense. I was just trying to offer an explanation for your question, and that was the only reasonable one I could think of.
Re: Three methods of discovering "the truth"
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:31 pm
by _Buffalo
keithb wrote:Some Schmo wrote:Methods #1 and 2 aren't the LDS brand of nonsense. They like to stick to their preferred brand.
But, this is the problem. A priori, there is no reason to believe in any of the methods of finding "truth" that I listed above. They're all a compilation of nonsensical statements and ideas.
How is talking quietly to yourself and waiting for a good "feeling" any different than reciting the four lines of the Wiccan spell and waiting for whatever-the-hell answer is supposed to come from that?
Domestic nonsense is always less scrutinized than foreign nonsense.
Re: Three methods of discovering "the truth"
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:42 pm
by _DrW
Great OP.
This line of reasoning is especially revealing when one considers that each ofthe hundreds, even thousands of superstition, myth and faith based religions throughout history have had their own means of finding "truth".
One should consider how diverse and universally ineffective these all are when compared to the simple, elegant and effective evidence- based means of determining truth that is the properly executed scientific method.
Those who claim that facts are not truth, or that one cannot really have a full life without religion, are actually saying that one is better off believing in at least some things that are not true (and when it comes to Mormonism, many things that are not true).
Re: Three methods of discovering "the truth"
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:29 pm
by _Yahoo Bot
keithb wrote:Is there one reason why members of the church trust method number three and not methods one and two for discovering "the truth"?
All too often, ex-Mormons (or phony current Mormons willing to crucify their savior afresh) have no clue as to the Christian formulation for understanding truth.
Galatians 1:5-6 teaches that the truth of the Gospel comes from three concurrent sources -- the priesthood, the Holy Ghost and the "word".
At that time, the "word" meant the Hebrew scriptures, the oral tradition of the gospels and the pastoral letters from the apostles.
Re: Three methods of discovering "the truth"
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:39 pm
by _Sethbag
Or, to translate Crockett's post into plain English:
The three methods for determining truth are:
1. Some men claim to have been granted power by the Creator of the Universe to speak on his behalf. Whatever they say is the truth.
2. Some good feeling you have when you are thinking about things related to Mormonism, which means that Mormonism is true.
3. Some things bronze-age goatherders in the Middle East wrote down, representing an amalgamation of history, old regional mythology re-cast into a distinctly local flavor, and new local mythology.
Ok, now that we're clear. How are these methods demonstrably more reliable than anything else mentioned either in the OP or subsequently?
Re: Three methods of discovering "the truth"
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:44 pm
by _Hoops
Science is the only way to determine truth.