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Tarski wrote:The connection to Mormonism here is of course that denial of mainstream climate science has become part of Mormon culture. Droopy is, of course, an extreme example of this and is often claiming that the whole thing has been debunked long ago and is already dead. Unfortunately for him, this is not the case. Far far from it.

There has been an interesting development.

Richard Muller is a Berkeley physicist that was outraged by "climate gate". This otherwise respectable scientist was going around ranting and insulting climate scientists and showing pictures of the hockey stick graph and making the usual complaints about it.

Muller set out to show how climate science could be done with integrity. He gathered a team of scientists and set out to do the analysis from the ground up: A fresh start. He would do it right and transparently. He would use (I gather) sophisticated statistics to ferret out bad data etc. Everything would be checked with the eye of skepticism.

Well, what do you know.... the project is finished and Muller's analysis gives the same results as those he was doubting. Kudos to him for having the integrity to admit what he now admits.
Of course, the results that were criticized by climate deniers have been vindicated by several other teams and in a way that doesn't apparently need tree ring data. Of course, this doesn't make it onto FOX news now does it? (Darwinism would also seem to be in trouble if one were to depend on FOX News for (anti-)information).

The thing that makes Muller's conclusions interesting are that he seemed (to many of us at least) to be going into it with an anti-climate science agenda. After all, he was going around giving denier style rants and complaining about the infamous emails etc. He declared he wouldn't publish in certain journals anymore and so on. He was going to do it all correctly!!

Well, Muller's results are in and they largely vindicate mainstream global warming science after all and this includes tentative conclusions about the anthropogenic component:
"they emphasize that anthropogenic global warming (AGW) driven by greenhouse gas emissions is very much in their picture"

The evidence has spoken (again). Of course, we can look forward to a personal demonstration from Droopy of how irrelevant evidence is to climate change deniers and other such politically motivated conspiracy theorists. How long until Muller is accused of faking his skepticism and initiating a plot of some sort? LOL

Read about it here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15373071

I will bet this bit of news will not make it into the heads of the anti-science nuts over at MAD.

The connection to Mormonism here is of course that denial of mainstream climate science has become part of Mormon culture. Droopy is, of course, an extreme example of this and is often claiming that the whole thing has been debunked long ago and is already dead. Unfortunately for him, this is not the case. Far far from it.

Simon Belmont wrote:Remember in the 1970s when everyone was worried about Global Cooling? You have to love the solid doctrines of science!

bcspace wrote:

The connection to Mormonism here is of course that denial of mainstream climate science has become part of Mormon culture. Droopy is, of course, an extreme example of this and is often claiming that the whole thing has been debunked long ago and is already dead. Unfortunately for him, this is not the case. Far far from it.

GW is not necessarily dead, though there is a good chance it might have died in the late 90's. But AGW consistently has had no basis in fact; just the notion that CO2, being a greenhouse gas and lots being put into the air must mean it's causing GW. However, even the recent CERN discoveries show that these calculations must be significantly revised because the data doesn't show it.