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The Truth About Bruce R. McConkie's "Mormon Doctrine"

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:22 am
by _Daheshist
Bruce R. McConkie married the daughter of Joseph Fielding Smith (who...by the way...had three wives at the same time, but that's another post). JFS invited BRM to "home scripture studies" all the males had all the time. Basically, JFS convinced BRM that JFS interpretations were the correct ones, namely:

*The Roman Catholic Church is the GA church of the Devil.
*Negroes are truly inferior cursed children of Cain NOT to get the priesthood until after the Millennium
*Salvation by grace is a false doctrine
*There were no pre-Adamites, Adam and Eve first humans on Earth and, of course, white people because (of course) God and Jesus were white people.
*The flood of Noah was universal and covered the highest hill (there were no mountains then) by 30 feet.
*All races of man stem from the three sons of Noah.
*God the Father and Mary "begot" just like any couple, since God married his own spirit-daughter
*in the resurrection, all those not exalted will have to go through a operation to remove their reproductive organs, since they were not exalted.
*etc....more ignorant crap all along the line

JFS knew that many of the Apostles OPPOSED one of more of these interpretations, but JFS (he was not "Prophet" yet) wanted to get these doctrines popularized, so he worked with BRM to write a book "Sound Doctrine" later changed to "Mormon Doctrine". JFS knew that the Church would NOT allow it to be published! So, they "snuck" and had it published by Bookcraft an independent book publisher. This was done. President McKay heard of it, and formed a committee to review it. They did, and recommended that MD NOT see a second printing. They wanted to recall all editions and destroy them, but McKay said if they did that then Bruce R. McConkie would lose all respect, so they said "No more editions!" JFS agreed to that enthusiatically, and promised President McKay not more editions of the book would see the light of day.

President McKay dies, and JFS becomes "Prophet" and then authorizes further editions of "Mormon Doctrine". When I was an active Mormon, I saw the book on the shelf of every Member I knew, and it was also used in Sunday Schools, Elder Quorum, etc. Most missionaries on my mission had a copy (I did not). I basically "lost faith" on my mission after I told a group of missionaries that The Book of Mormon teaches that Mary was a literal virgin, then an Elder pulled out "Mormon Doctrine" and quoted me that Jesus was begotten just as a mortal man begets a mortal son. I was DEVASTATED!!!

I told the Mission President I wanted to go home, and he basically gave me a motivational lecture, and gave me an unpublished talk by President Packer (a friend of his) that had NOTHING to do with the subject of how Jesus was conceived. I suppose my mission president thought I would "feel so special" that he would share with me a copy of this talk that Packer was planning to publish as a small book, that I would think: "Wow! I've been blessed to be only the third fourth mortal to read this book!" The Mission Priesident thought he was doing me this great favor by letting me read this boring and dry and spirit-less talk Packer gave at some meeting he was now going to publish as a booklet.

I really felt like going home. I had only five months left, but my heart was not in it anymore. The Mormons in my mission (San Francisco/San Jose) were not spiritual at all, but very materialistic. All the Sacrament talks were about "being a success in life". Ntohing about Jesus. Nothing about repentence. Nothing about the Afterlife or treasures in heaven. All about the "Here and now" and "how to get stuff" from God to help you be more sucessful in life. This is called the "Health and Wealth Gospel". It was the only "gospel" taught in the Wards I attended. I could NOT believe that God the Father had sex with Mary his spirit-daughter to conceive Jesus. I aksed my Mission President at least three times, "Must I believe this doctrine in order to be a member and missionary?" and he just kept talking, avoiding the subject. Finally, I thought of my bishop back home, Bishop Dorman, a very good man, who sacrificed much of his own money to send me on this mission. I did not wish to disapoint him.So, I decided to stay in the mission, but my heart was not "into" it anymore. Before, I was quite a GUNG HO missionary, but after that myheart was broken and I was just the walking dead. I should have went home.


In recent years the Brethren have begun to realize that Mormon Doctrine has done far more harm than any good it might have done, and have ordered no more copies published. All this happened because Joseph Fielding Smith wanted to popularize his ideas, and to "indoctrinate" generations of young Mormons into his brand of Mormonism. He succeeded in creating a generation of ignoramuses. His insistence that one MUST believe in Creationism to be a good Mormon has undoubtedly created a DILEMA in the minds of many, and probably created more ex-Mormon atheists and agnostics than he created good Mormons. I've studied alot about Joseph Fielding Smith. On his mission he converted nobody. He could keep a job so his father, Joseph F. Smith, got him a job in the Church Historian's office, which he dept for 40 years. He became "Church Historian" yet was the most unprofessionl and "bad" historian the Church hever had. He lied all the time! Under David O. McKay he saw the Church getting too liberal, so that is why he decided this "Mormon Doctrine" caper with his son-in-law, as an "end run" about David O. McKay. HE promised David O. McKay that a second edition would never see the light of day, then when DOM was dead, he authorized further editions.

The saga of "Mormon Doctrine" is coming to an end, with no more editions to be published. Again, it takes the Church about 30 years to "learn" a lesson.

Re: The Truth About Bruce R. McConkie's "Mormon Doctrine"

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:45 am
by _Zelder
that was an interesting post, and interesting perspective.

Re: The Truth About Bruce R. McConkie's "Mormon Doctrine"

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:27 am
by _Drifting
When the Church tells you to follow the Prophet, they are only referring you to the current living Prophet. All the others could have been speaking as men, but not the current one, he never speaks as a man so follow everything he says.

But it's not a cult...

Re: The Truth About Bruce R. McConkie's "Mormon Doctrine"

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 4:27 pm
by _cinepro
Daheshist wrote:Bruce R. McConkie married the daughter of Joseph Fielding Smith (who...by the way...had three wives at the same time, but that's another post).



Marriage: Married Louie E. Shurtliff on Apr. 26, 1898, (died Mar. 30, 1908);
married Ethel G. Reynolds on Nov. 2, 1908 (died Aug. 26, 1937);
married Jessie Ella Evans on Apr. 12, 1938 (died Aug.3, 1971).

LDS.org


Do explain!

Re: The Truth About Bruce R. McConkie's "Mormon Doctrine"

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 4:46 pm
by _Daheshist
I met a man, a member of the Apostolic United Brethren, in 1993. He was about 77 years old. He told me that as a young man he was told to deliver milk to the three wives of Joseph Fielding Smith. All lived in separate homes. He was told not to discuss this was anyone and promised great eternal rewards if he never discussed it. Can I "prove" this? No way. The man did not seem as if he was lying. He seemed sincere. I had "heard" this spoken of before.

If Joseph Fielding Smith had plural wives, they would not be listed or published by the Church.

Now, of the following I know is fact: that the Church did NOT abandone plural marriage in 1890, and in fact authorized plural marriages continued unabated among the friends and family of top Mormon leaders in the U.S. until at least 1904, and in Mexico and Canada well into the 1920s. Authorized plural marriages, authorized by the Presidents of the Church.

Can I "prove" that JFS had plural wives? No.

cinepro wrote:
Daheshist wrote:Bruce R. McConkie married the daughter of Joseph Fielding Smith (who...by the way...had three wives at the same time, but that's another post).



Marriage: Married Louie E. Shurtliff on Apr. 26, 1898, (died Mar. 30, 1908);
married Ethel G. Reynolds on Nov. 2, 1908 (died Aug. 26, 1937);
married Jessie Ella Evans on Apr. 12, 1938 (died Aug.3, 1971).

LDS.org


Do explain!

Re: The Truth About Bruce R. McConkie's "Mormon Doctrine"

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:08 pm
by _bcspace
The saga of "Mormon Doctrine" is coming to an end, with no more editions to be published. Again, it takes the Church about 30 years to "learn" a lesson.


The Church didn't bring it under it's own auspices right from the start so the Church had nothing to learn.

Re: The Truth About Bruce R. McConkie's "Mormon Doctrine"

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:18 pm
by _Daheshist
bcspace,

As a good Mormon I was expected to believe that "everything" that a Living Prophet says or writes is Eternal Gospel Truth and the very Oracles of God, Living Scriptures....until he is a Dead Prophet, then his words and writings were "his own opinion" only.

Harold B. Lee could have ordered the cancellation of "Mormon Doctrine" after Joseph Fielding Smith was dead, but Bruce R. McConkie was an apostle by that time, and I don't think he wanted to offend McConkie, and also I think that Harold B. Lee probably "agreed" with much of "Mormon Doctrine" anyway.

I don't think Bruce R. McConkie understood the Gospel of Jesus Christ until just before his death, when he gave a testimony of the Savior which was in humility and tears in General Conference. I saw it. Bruce R. McConkie was in tears and absolutely humbled. Before that, he was perhaps the most ARROGANT man I'd ever seen! He was like ARROGANCE INCARNATE!!! Pure, self-righteous, arrogance. He didn't understand the Gospel or Jesus until just before his death from cancer in 1985. Before that, he was like SO MANY Mormon men I know....self-righteous, smooth-faced, arrogant, condescending.

My only regret regarding Bruce R. McConkie, is that he never lived to see Mark Hofmann confess to "fooling" Mormon leaders, whom McConkie wrote in "Mormon Doctrine" had the Spirit of Discernment whereby they could detect all who tried to deceive them. I hope to meet Bruce R. in the Spirit-World one day, and ask him, "Bruce, did you hear about the Mark Hofmann thing?"


bcspace wrote:
The saga of "Mormon Doctrine" is coming to an end, with no more editions to be published. Again, it takes the Church about 30 years to "learn" a lesson.


The Church didn't bring it under it's own auspices right from the start so the Church had nothing to learn.

Re: The Truth About Bruce R. McConkie's "Mormon Doctrine"

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:27 pm
by _bcspace
As a good Mormon I was expected to believe that "everything" that a Living Prophet says or writes is Eternal Gospel Truth and the very Oracles of God, Living Scriptures....until he is a Dead Prophet, then his words and writings were "his own opinion" only.


I think you're lying. Edit: I don't think it. I know it.

Re: The Truth About Bruce R. McConkie's "Mormon Doctrine"

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:37 pm
by _Drifting
bcspace wrote:
As a good Mormon I was expected to believe that "everything" that a Living Prophet says or writes is Eternal Gospel Truth and the very Oracles of God, Living Scriptures....until he is a Dead Prophet, then his words and writings were "his own opinion" only.


I think you're lying. Edit: I don't think it. I know it.


He may well be.

However, the teachings of past Prophets are thrown under the bus with alarming regularity.

Re: The Truth About Bruce R. McConkie's "Mormon Doctrine"

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:44 pm
by _Daheshist
Dear "Fool"

You don't "know" anything! I'll told you PURE TRUTH. I WAS told by a 77 year old man that he delivered milk to the three living wives of Joseph Fielding Smith, the plural wives, not his "official" wife. Was the old man lying? I don't know. He seemed to be sincere. But he DID tell me that, in 1993, outside the meetinghouse of the Apostolic United Brethren in Bluffdale Utah.

bcspace, I have NEVER lied to you! Church leaders "lie" all the time "for the good of the Church". You believe their lies...because you are a fool.

I have told you PURE TRUTH....and you have called the Truth a Lie, and a Lie the Truth! You are a FOOL!!!!

bcspace wrote:
As a good Mormon I was expected to believe that "everything" that a Living Prophet says or writes is Eternal Gospel Truth and the very Oracles of God, Living Scriptures....until he is a Dead Prophet, then his words and writings were "his own opinion" only.


I think you're lying. Edit: I don't think it. I know it.