Bishop says church responsible for gays????? emotional wounds

[_The Mormon Report]

For your consideration:

Mormon bishop says church responsible for gays’ emotional wounds | The Salt Lake Tribune

[_bcspace]

John Dehlin's site said:

While we understand that nuance and context are sometimes difficult to capture in news articles, we are worried that some of the framing in this SL Tribune article (especially the headline) might give the wrong impression about LDS Bishop Kevin Kloosterman’s talk on homosexuals in the LDS Church,

http://mormonstories.org/?p=2179

In reading the transcript, I think the worst he said that may be incorrect is the straight members of the Church have a lot of repenting to do and the worst he could have don't is believe some of the highly embellished SOB stories that come from this issue and implicate the Church as if they were true. No indication that he has taken LDS doctrine to task.

[_TrashcanMan79]

Video of his talk: http://youtu.be/vDfYQbCro7M

[_Willy Law]

Everyone talks about how much the church has changed since the Sept 6. That may be true, but I have to think as long as BKP is around this NOM/Middle Way movement is going to reach a boiling point and something is going to give. This talk may not be the boiling point, but at some point they are going to put the kibosh on this pesky middle road/big tent movement.

[_just me]

Everyone talks about how much the church has changed since the Sept 6. That may be true, but I have to think as long as BKP is around this NOM/Middle Way movement is going to reach a boiling point and something is going to give. This talk may not be the boiling point, but at some point they are going to put the kibosh on this pesky middle road/big tent movement.

Even if it is keeping tithing revenue coming in?

[_Jaybear]

In reading the transcript, I think the worst he said that may be incorrect is the straight members of the Church have a lot of repenting to do and the worst he could have don't is believe some of the highly embellished SOB stories that come from this issue and implicate the Church as if they were true. No indication that he has taken LDS doctrine to task.

When he said "We need to change our thoughts", he really means you bcspace and members like you. He also obviously knows that the only way that is going to happen is from the top down.

[Guest]

Everyone talks about how much the church has changed since the Sept 6. That may be true, but I have to think as long as BKP is around this NOM/Middle Way movement is going to reach a boiling point and something is going to give. This talk may not be the boiling point, but at some point they are going to put the kibosh on this pesky middle road/big tent movement.

If the NOM way starts to get more press, then you might be right. I think that the church's strategy to this point has been to ignore the movement as much as possible. But, if John Dehlin's name starts to become recognizable to the average member, I think that the church might try something high profile along the lines of the September 6.

On another note, I think that there is nothing doctrinally (from a Mormon Orthodoxy perspective) wrong with this talk. I could actually imagine a more moderate GA -- someone like Marlin Jensen -- giving a talk quite similar to this, under the right circumstances. In my mind, even if they did want to punish him for participating in the conference, I am not sure what reason they could even use.

[_Willy Law]

Everyone talks about how much the church has changed since the Sept 6. That may be true, but I have to think as long as BKP is around this NOM/Middle Way movement is going to reach a boiling point and something is going to give. This talk may not be the boiling point, but at some point they are going to put the kibosh on this pesky middle road/big tent movement.

Even if it is keeping tithing revenue coming in?

Good point. I think the financial strategy would be to protect the future tithe payers that may be exposed to the likes of John Dehlin if they stand by and do nothing and let the movement grow.
Just guessing, but I would say most of the people that are avid followers of John Dehlin (just using him as an example) no longer pay tithing. I think those that do, do so to stay under the radar for family reasons. I would think those people would simply remain under the radar and deny any involvment.