Ways to stop masturbating by Mark E Peterson
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:42 pm
Equality put this talk on the "Did your bishop ask you if you masturbate thread" This talk is so crazy that I think we need to have another thread devoted to it. I'm going to highlight certain points of the talk.
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haha that means most Mormon guys should not be around each other. How will they go to church?
What! How does admiring yourself in the mirror lead to masturbation? Who gets turned on by themselves. This is odd..
This is bat crap crazy! So you are suppose to wear lots of clothes to bed so you won't touch yourself. How the hell are you suppose to sleep when you are way to hot from all the clothes. Plus it would not be comfy at all!
wow! Basically he is telling us to do something un healthy instead of doing something healthy. You know how fat I would be if I took this suggestion. Plus I would be super tired because my mind would always be on the subject. Buffalo may be right, they are trying to kill us.
I think this is censorship here. It's the same thing as telling people to stay away from anti-mormon material. Once you start reading you realize masturbation is actually healthy for you and it is a natural evolutionary thing.
Honestly, how long can someone think about church. Sex is a way more interesting subject to think about.
Yeah and if you mention it then it can be pretty embracing. This is why I thought I was one of the few with this "problem" was because everyone else denied it and made fun of the people if they did jerk off. Not specific people but in general they would call these people perverts, gross, and that they need help. The trick was to make the sinner think they he/she was the one of a few and then make them think that it is not normal! Once I realized it was normal that made me really start to question it.
You know how much I cried about trying to stop this problem with the Lard. I prayed so much for help but nothing ever seemed to work.
That's because we are told it should create guilt. If we are programmed we will have guilt if we do something then after we do it we will feel that guilt.
I was actually so worried every time I messed up that if I did I would not make it to the CK and be with my family. Gave me so much stress over it.
Of course you would lose self respect. Here we are told not to do something and it is just about impossible for most guys especially young men not to do. Then when we do it we feel guilty and think we are so bad for doing it.
Yeah that's because we realize that prayer doesn't work at all. This is also saying in a way that if you leave the church it's because you wanted to sin and masturbate.
Is this true?
Ha I workout more than most people I know and I don't think this did crap all!
More talk on how you are suppose to feel guilt.
The only thing that brought some depression was that I couldn't stop this horrible sin of masturbating. The cycle continued.
The calendar just reminded me of masturbating. Didn't work at all!
Yeah it was that time I saw a girl walk down the street. How the hell do you avoid seeing girls?
The problem with this I find is after you think of the tub of worms your mind goes right back to what it wants to think about and what it is suppose to think about.
WHAT! So your whole family can see you naked showering. That is messed up!
He is referring to EMB (Early Morning Boner). Most guys get it. Funny thing is I think only half the girls know about this.
These pyjamas sound contradictory.
So don't go to school or work. Gotcha!
Haha now this is just funny!
Looks like Buffalo and I were severe cases cause I woke up a few times doing this. Imagine having a sleep over with friends and bringing a rope and tying it to the couch you are about to sleep on. haha This is such a dumb idea.
Sometimes I stopped for long periods of time. During those times I was irritable, quick to anger, frustrated as hell, and didn't really feel that joy at all.
What are your thoughts on this talk? Anyone have similar experiences as me. A lot of Mormon guys I have talked to didn't really beat themselves up over this and I think I was more extreme about trying to stop it. I think the solution was for them to get married early and then they could start having sex and they wouldn't have this "problem" anymore.
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If you are associated with other persons having this same problem, you must break off their friendship. Never associate with other people having the same weakness. Don't suppose that two of you will quit together, you never will. You must get away from people of that kind. Just to be in their presence will keep your problem foremost in your mind.
haha that means most Mormon guys should not be around each other. How will they go to church?
When you bathe, do not admire yourself in a mirror.
What! How does admiring yourself in the mirror lead to masturbation? Who gets turned on by themselves. This is odd..
When in bed, if that is where you have your problem for the most part, dress yourself for the night so securely that you cannot easily touch your vital parts, and so that it would be difficult and time consuming for you to remove those clothes. By the time you started to remove protective clothing you would have sufficiently controlled your thinking that the temptation would leave you.
This is bat crap crazy! So you are suppose to wear lots of clothes to bed so you won't touch yourself. How the hell are you suppose to sleep when you are way to hot from all the clothes. Plus it would not be comfy at all!
If the temptation seems overpowering while you are in bed, get out of bed and go into the kitchen and fix yourself a snack, even if it is in the middle of the night, and even if you are not hungry, and despite your fears of gaining weight.
wow! Basically he is telling us to do something un healthy instead of doing something healthy. You know how fat I would be if I took this suggestion. Plus I would be super tired because my mind would always be on the subject. Buffalo may be right, they are trying to kill us.
Never read pornographic material. Never read about your problem.
I think this is censorship here. It's the same thing as telling people to stay away from anti-mormon material. Once you start reading you realize masturbation is actually healthy for you and it is a natural evolutionary thing.
Put wholesome thoughts into your mind at all times. Read good books -- Church books -- Scriptures -- Sermons of the Brethren. Make a daily habit of reading at least one chapter of Scripture, preferably from one of the four Gospels in the New Testament, or the Book of Mormon. The four Gospels -- Matthew, Mark, Luke and John -- above anything else in the Bible can be helpful because of their uplifting qualities.
Honestly, how long can someone think about church. Sex is a way more interesting subject to think about.
Pray. But when you pray, don't pray about this problem, for that will tend to keep it in your mind more than ever. Pray for faith, pray for understanding of the Scriptures, pray for the Missionaries, the General Authorities, your friends, your families, but keep the problem out of your mind by not mentioning it ever -- not in conversation with others, not in your prayers. keep it out of your mind!
Yeah and if you mention it then it can be pretty embracing. This is why I thought I was one of the few with this "problem" was because everyone else denied it and made fun of the people if they did jerk off. Not specific people but in general they would call these people perverts, gross, and that they need help. The trick was to make the sinner think they he/she was the one of a few and then make them think that it is not normal! Once I realized it was normal that made me really start to question it.
You know how much I cried about trying to stop this problem with the Lard. I prayed so much for help but nothing ever seemed to work.
We are taught that our bodies are temples of God, and are to be clean so that the Holy Ghost may dwell within us. Masturbation is a sinful habit that robs one of the Spirit and creates guilt and emotional stress. .
That's because we are told it should create guilt. If we are programmed we will have guilt if we do something then after we do it we will feel that guilt.
It therefore separates a person from God and defeats the gospel plan.
I was actually so worried every time I messed up that if I did I would not make it to the CK and be with my family. Gave me so much stress over it.
This self-gratifying activity will cause one to lose his self-respect and feel guilty and depressed, which can in the extreme lead to further sinning.
Of course you would lose self respect. Here we are told not to do something and it is just about impossible for most guys especially young men not to do. Then when we do it we feel guilty and think we are so bad for doing it.
As a person feels spiritually unclean, he loses his interest in prayer, his testimony becomes weak, and missionary work and other Church callings become burdensome, offering no joy and limited success.
Yeah that's because we realize that prayer doesn't work at all. This is also saying in a way that if you leave the church it's because you wanted to sin and masturbate.
It is normal for the vesicles to be emptied occasionally at night during sleep. This is called a wet dream. The impulses that cause the emptying come from the central nervous system. Often an erotic dream is experienced at the same time, and is a part of this normal process. If a young man has consistently masturbated instead of letting nature take its course, the reproductive system is operating at a more rapid pace, trying to keep up with the loss of semen. When he stops the habit, the body will continue to produce at this increased rate, for an indefinite period of time, creating sexual tensions and pressure. These are not harmful and are to be endured until the normal central nervous system pathway of release is once again established.
Is this true?
Follow a program of vigorous daily exercise. The exercises reduce emotional tension and depression and are absolutely basic to the solution of this problem. Double your physical activity when you feel stress increasing.
Ha I workout more than most people I know and I don't think this did crap all!
It is important to turn your thoughts away from the selfish need to indulge.
More talk on how you are suppose to feel guilt.
Be aware of situations that depress you or that cause you to feel lonely, bored, frustrated or discouraged. These emotional states can trigger the desire to masturbate as a way of escape.
The only thing that brought some depression was that I couldn't stop this horrible sin of masturbating. The cycle continued.
Make a pocket calendar for a month on a small card. Carry it with you, but show it to no one. If you have a lapse of self control, color the day black. Your goal will be to have no black days. The calendar becomes a strong visual reminder of self control and should be looked at when you are tempted to add another black day. Keep your calendar up until you have at least three clear months.
The calendar just reminded me of masturbating. Didn't work at all!
A careful study will indicate you have had the problem at certain times and under certain conditions. Try and recall, in detail, what your particular times and conditions were. Now that you understand how it happens, plan to break the pattern through counter activities.
Yeah it was that time I saw a girl walk down the street. How the hell do you avoid seeing girls?
In the field of psychotherapy there is a very effective technique called aversion therapy. When we associate or think of something very distasteful with something which has been pleasurable, but undesirable, the distasteful thought and feeling will begin to cancel out that which was pleasurable. If you associate something very distasteful with your loss of self-control it will help you to stop the act. For example, if you are tempted to masturbate, think of having to bathe in a tub of worms, and eating several of them as you do the act.
The problem with this I find is after you think of the tub of worms your mind goes right back to what it wants to think about and what it is suppose to think about.
During your toileting and shower activities leave the bathroom door or shower curtain partly open, to discourage being alone in total privacy. Take cool brief showers.
WHAT! So your whole family can see you naked showering. That is messed up!
Arise immediately in the mornings. Do not lie in bed awake, no matter what time of day it is. Get up and do something. Start each day with an enthusiastic activity.
He is referring to EMB (Early Morning Boner). Most guys get it. Funny thing is I think only half the girls know about this.
Wear pyjamas that are difficult to open, yet loose and not binding.
These pyjamas sound contradictory.
Avoid people, situations, pictures or reading materials that might create sexual excitement.
So don't go to school or work. Gotcha!
It is sometimes helpful to have a physical object to use in overcoming this problem. A Book of Mormon, firmly held in hand, even in bed at night has proven helpful in extreme cases.
Haha now this is just funny!
In very severe cases it may be necessary to tie a hand to the bed frame with a tie in order that the habit of masturbating in a semi-sleep condition can be broken. This can also be accomplished by wearing several layers of clothing which would be difficult to remove while half asleep.
Looks like Buffalo and I were severe cases cause I woke up a few times doing this. Imagine having a sleep over with friends and bringing a rope and tying it to the couch you are about to sleep on. haha This is such a dumb idea.
You can win this fight! The joy and strength you will feel when you do will give your whole life a radiant and spiritual glow of satisfaction and fulfillment.
Sometimes I stopped for long periods of time. During those times I was irritable, quick to anger, frustrated as hell, and didn't really feel that joy at all.
What are your thoughts on this talk? Anyone have similar experiences as me. A lot of Mormon guys I have talked to didn't really beat themselves up over this and I think I was more extreme about trying to stop it. I think the solution was for them to get married early and then they could start having sex and they wouldn't have this "problem" anymore.