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Has the Mormon Church Truly Left Its Race Problems Behind?
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:12 pm
by _The Mormon Report
Re: Has the Mormon Church Truly Left Its Race Problems Behind?
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:31 pm
by _Buffalo
The church better get rid of that "don't date black girls" section in the YM manual quick, before the media get wind of it.
Re: Has the Mormon Church Truly Left Its Race Problems Behind?
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:41 pm
by _harmony
Joseph Smith Jr., the founder of Mormonism, ran for president in 1844 as a moderate abolitionist; ordained a black man, Elijah Abel; and offered to adopt one young black convert, Jane Manning James, as his spiritual daughter
Jane Manning James. Anyone know her story? Looks to me like she dodged the bullet, knowing what we do about some of the other girls who were "adopted" by Joseph.
Re: Has the Mormon Church Truly Left Its Race Problems Behind?
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:42 pm
by _Willy Law
Church leaders can cite exponential growth rates in Africa—some 320,000 (and counting) black Saints spread through dozens of African nations.
Of the 320,000 African converts, how many were told about the curse of cain doctrine and priesthood ban prior to baptism?
I have heard experiences from missionaries where they are specifically instructed not to talk about these things with blacks prior to baptism.
Re: Has the Mormon Church Truly Left Its Race Problems Behind?
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:50 pm
by _DarkHelmet
harmony wrote:Joseph Smith Jr., the founder of Mormonism, ran for president in 1844 as a moderate abolitionist; ordained a black man, Elijah Abel; and offered to adopt one young black convert, Jane Manning James, as his spiritual daughter
Jane Manning James. Anyone know her story? Looks to me like she dodged the bullet, knowing what we do about some of the other girls who were "adopted" by Joseph.
I'm sure Joseph Smith received a revelation that the only way to cure the curse of Cain was to have sex with a prophet of god.
Re: Has the Mormon Church Truly Left Its Race Problems Behind?
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:53 pm
by _harmony
DarkHelmet wrote:I'm sure Joseph Smith received a revelation that the only way to cure the curse of Cain was to have sex with a prophet of god.
Somehow that one didn't make it into the D&C... but then, neither did the one that restored the higher priesthood.
Re: Has the Mormon Church Truly Left Its Race Problems Behind?
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:00 pm
by _Fence Sitter
I don't know if any of you have seen the documentary about Black Mormons referenced in the article. In one interview with a 20 something black girl she related an experience in the temple when an older white lady came up to her in the temple and said; "I don't know how I am going to recognize you in the next life when you're white". It understandably upset the black girl.
Re: Has the Mormon Church Truly Left Its Race Problems Behind?
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:04 pm
by _Buffalo
Fence Sitter wrote:I don't know if any of you have seen the documentary about Black Mormons referenced in the article. In one interview with a 20 something black girl she related an experience in the temple when an older white lady came up to her in the temple and said; "I don't know how I am going to recognize you in the next life when you're white". It understandably upset the black girl.
Yeah, you can't get rid of 150 years of white supremecy enshrined in God's word in only 30 years.
Re: Has the Mormon Church Truly Left Its Race Problems Behind?
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:06 pm
by _Some Schmo
Fence Sitter wrote:I don't know if any of you have seen the documentary about Black Mormons referenced in the article. In one interview with a 20 something black girl she related an experience in the temple when an older white lady came up to her in the temple and said; "I don't know how I am going to recognize you in the next life when you're white". It understandably upset the black girl.
Remember, it's not the church that's racist, just certain members.
Sort of like the KKK.
Re: Has the Mormon Church Truly Left Its Race Problems Behind?
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:08 pm
by _just me
harmony wrote:Joseph Smith Jr., the founder of Mormonism, ran for president in 1844 as a moderate abolitionist; ordained a black man, Elijah Abel; and offered to adopt one young black convert, Jane Manning James, as his spiritual daughter
Jane Manning James. Anyone know her story? Looks to me like she dodged the bullet, knowing what we do about some of the other girls who were "adopted" by Joseph.
Yes. I believe you can find it on the black LDS website.
She petitioned BY to be sealed to Joseph Smith as his adopted daughter while in Utah. She was denied and then they eventually decided to create a special ordinance where a proxy stood in for her and she was sealed to Joseph Smith as his
servant.
She also asked for a marital sealing for herself. She asked to be sealed to one of the few black men who had been a priesthood holder before the ban was enforced, If I recall correctly.