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A day in God's time

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:23 am
by _sock puppet
Before reliable scientific methods for dating geological formations were developed, which religionists wrote about the notion that a day in our time (24 hours) is not the same as a day in God's time?

Was this just an apologetic accommodation between Genesis and developing scientific knowledge that otherwise did not fit?

Why is God such a bad author as to not know his audience? I mean, if he meant billions of years, why did he say 6 days about 6,000-7,000 years ago?

If God meant he created Adam and Eve through a process of evolutions over eons of time, why did he say that Eve was made with a rib taken from Adam?

Genesis 2 wrote:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

Do religionists just ditch this concept from scripture for the accommodation that God created mankind via evolution?

What might be the next major accommodations that religionists will relinquish to scientific developments?

Re: A day in God's time

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:48 am
by _huckelberry
People have from time to time noticed that the Bible was written by humans using the thought forms that those humans understood. It does not contain any" God said it acually was a rib to create Eve". Those were the images the human authors used to express their inspiration about God creating humans with care and purpose.

I think it is a good idea to have things this way. It encourages people to use their heads and explore how things actually work. I think that this sort of exploration is good not only for science but for human relationships and religion.

Re: A day in God's time

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:55 am
by _MrStakhanovite
Origen and Augustine come to mind. Off the top of my head, I recall Origen responded to Celsus about the pagan mocking the Jewish/Christian God, who had such a shoddy creation or something like that. Augustine wrote an entire book on the Allegorical interpetation Genesis, and Philo of Alexandria before him.

Re: A day in God's time

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:15 am
by _Hoops
sock puppet wrote:Before reliable scientific methods for dating geological formations were developed, which religionists wrote about the notion that a day in our time (24 hours) is not the same as a day in God's time?

Was this just an apologetic accommodation between Genesis and developing scientific knowledge that otherwise did not fit?


Actually, it's quite Biblical. And the Biblical passage your scientific understanding.

Job 9:8

He alone stretches out the heavens
and treads on the waves of the sea.

Re: A day in God's time

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:32 am
by _Nightlion
sock puppet wrote:Before reliable scientific methods for dating geological formations were developed, which religionists wrote about the notion that a day in our time (24 hours) is not the same as a day in God's time?
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2 Pet. 3: 8
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


Was this just an apologetic accommodation between Genesis and developing scientific knowledge that otherwise did not fit?
Why is God such a bad author as to not know his audience? I mean, if he meant billions of years, why did he say 6 days about 6,000-7,000 years ago?


Because before our day everyone would have been saying, "a billion? What?"
If God meant he created Adam and Eve through a process of evolutions over eons of time, why did he say that Eve was made with a rib taken from Adam?


He did not use evolution. Never did. He had already created worlds without number and placed inhabitants upon them all many have come and gone. Adam and Eve existed as resurrected beings before the world was made. When Adam was dipped in clay to tether him to this earth, he took the time to acclimate his glorious being to the coarse elements that was most uncomfortable and after he had refined it some a kinder and gentler tether was given to his wife. Just being a loving husband and a gentleman.

Genesis 2 wrote:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

Do religionists just ditch this concept from scripture for the accommodation that God created mankind via evolution?

I am shy of no scripture.

What might be the next major accommodations that religionists will relinquish to scientific developments?

Joseph Smith did not like religionists. Neither do I. Too much like religulous

Re: A day in God's time

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:47 am
by _Ceeboo
Hey SP,

sock puppet wrote:Before reliable scientific methods for dating geological formations were developed, which religionists wrote about the notion that a day in our time (24 hours) is not the same as a day in God's time?


Might I suggest that this Genesis discussion/debate is much, much more involved than you seem to offer it.

Among the many fabrics that one can find weaved throughout these discussions/debates, there are those who offer literal 24 hour days, those who suggest the word "yom" (day) is a period of time, those who believe the 24 hour day did not begin until day 3 of Genesis account where the Moon and Sun were created thus governing day and night cycles.

It is, in my opinion, a very, very interesting topic. (To be sure)

Why is God such a bad author as to not know his audience?


To be fair, perhaps it is the audience who are bad at comprehending the author?

I mean, if he meant billions of years, why did he say 6 days about 6,000-7,000 years ago?


(I am fully aware how this may come across in these parts) :)

In addition to the possibilities of allegory, "yom"=period of time, and a very old earth, I do not discard the possibility of 6,000-7,000 years-at all.

Do religionists just ditch this concept from scripture for the accommodation that God created mankind via evolution?


I certaintly won't answer on behalf of all "religionists" but I can tell you that Ceeboo does not believe mankind was created via evolution. I believe mankind was created as mankind by the Creator, period.

What might be the next major accommodations that religionists will relinquish to scientific developments?


Ummmmm?
Cars with better gas mileage?

Peace,
Ceeboo

Re: A day in God's time

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 3:00 am
by _Hades
As science evolves so will religion. How else will religion survive?