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Cinepro writes this in response to the idea that a good Mo can watch R rated movies against the advice of the "prophet".

"Do we have fallible leaders who are often influenced by the cultural mores of their day?"

To which a mopologist responds:

Even though he is fallible, I sustain him.

Do you?

In other words, if you missed it, mopologetics is the study of how the "prophets" are men, fallible, influenced by their time, and no more insightful than you. And its application is that you damn well better fall in line.

What is wrong with Moplogetics in ONE post:

"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon."

Even though he is fallible, I sustain him.

Do you?

Internet Mormons may sustain him; they just don't believe him.

I don't know there's something nice to the propisition that its better to be united on these rather minor things, then to quibble about them. Unity is a goal of the Church, afterall, we all want to be one with God. "Put aside your own perceptions and join in the good cause".

With that said, I watch rated R movies all the damn time. I just saw the Decsendants this past weekend and it was touching despite the foul language from the kids.

stemelbow wrote:I don't know there's something nice to the propisition that its better to be united on these rather minor things, then to quibble about them. Unity is a goal of the Church, afterall, we all want to be one with God. "Put aside your own perceptions and join in the good cause".

With that said, I watch rated R movies all the damn time. I just saw the Decsendants this past weekend and it was touching despite the foul language from the kids.

Since it is such an established and well-accepted principle in the LDS Church that obedience to the counsel of church leaders is a "minor thing," I'm sure you will have no trouble at all finding everyone an example from LDS teachings where we are encouraged to pick and choose which counsel from the Bretheren we are free to disregard.

Darth J wrote:Since it is such an established and well-accepted principle in the LDS Church that obedience to the counsel of church leaders is a "minor thing," I'm sure you will have no trouble at all finding everyone an example from LDS teachings where we are encouraged to pick and choose which counsel from the Bretheren we are free to disregard.

Oh settle down and stop exposing what is wrong with the game of opposing "mopologetics" in one post again. What the hecks it matter to you if I go and see a rated R flick?

stemelbow wrote:I don't know there's something nice to the propisition that its better to be united on these rather minor things, then to quibble about them. Unity is a goal of the Church, afterall, we all want to be one with God. "Put aside your own perceptions and join in the good cause".

With that said, I watch rated R movies all the damn time. I just saw the Decsendants this past weekend and it was touching despite the foul language from the kids.

I'd like to thank Stemelbow for demonstrating my point about "no man can serve two masters." Here, Stemelbow is proudly boasting that he has disregarded prophetic counsel not to watch rated R movies, and yet he also declares that it doesn't matter, because he professes loyalty to the organization. This directly contradicts what church leaders have taught about obedience. The Moplogist/internet Mormon/cafeteria Mormon ideology is that obedience and "sustaining" the Bretheren are separate issues. Yet according to the teachings of the Bretheren, obedience is how you determine whether someone is a faithful member of the Church.

E.g.,

As soon as you begin to think that you know better than the leaders of the Church, that our counsel doesn’t apply to you, you are stepping onto a slippery slope that has claimed far too many victims already. It takes real desire and unequivocal, unreserved faith to accept and to live prophetic counsel even when you may not completely understand it.

M. Russell Ballard, http://LDS.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideN ... 82620aRCRD


Sometimes there are those who argue about words. They might say the prophet gave us counsel but that we are not obliged to follow it unless he says it is a commandment. But the Lord says of the Prophet, “Thou shalt give heed unto all his words and commandments which he shall give unto you.” (D&C 21:4.).

Ezra Taft Benson, http://LDS.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideN ... 82620aRCRD

To harden the heart is to ignore or not be willing to accept counsel. When persons allow themselves to succumb to temptation, they are acting against counsel: the counsel of the Holy Ghost, the counsel of our prophet leaders, the counsel of sound doctrine, the counsel of covenants, and often the counsel of those who love them most.

Rulon G. Craven of the Seventy, http://LDS.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideN ... 82620aRCRD

We have His counsel in the scriptures and in the words of the prophets. However, if we choose to ignore the prophets, we choose the consequences that follow.

Joseph B. Wirthlin, http://LDS.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideN ... 82620aRCRD


When anyone chooses to ignore or defiantly go against the counsel of the living prophet, he is on very shaky ground.

Joe J. Christensen, http://LDS.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideN ... 82620aRCRD

But the choice not to take prophetic counsel changes the very ground upon which we stand. The failure to take prophetic counsel lessens our power to take inspired counsel in the future.

Henry B. Eyring, http://LDS.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideN ... 82620aRCRD

It takes faith—real faith, unequivocal and unreserved—to accept and attempt to live prophetic counsel even when you don’t completely understand it. But to each of you I have only one question: are you going to follow the true and living prophets or not?

M. Russell Ballard, http://LDS.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideN ... 82620aRCRD

stemelbow wrote: Oh settle down and stop exposing what is wrong with the game of opposing "mopologetics" in one post again. What the hecks it matter to you if I go and see a rated R flick?

What the heck does it matter to you if I expose what is wrong with the game of Moplogetics?

And Stemelbow, if you choose to reject the inspired counsel of the Bretheren and change the very ground on which you stand, then your apostasy is between you and the Lord.

Darth J wrote:I'd like to thank Stemelbow for demonstrating my point about "no man can serve two masters." Here, Stemelbow is proudly boasting that he has disregarded prophetic counsel not to watch rated R movies, and yet he also declares that it doesn't matter, because he professes loyalty to the organization. This directly contradicts what church leaders have taught about obedience. The Moplogist/internet Mormon/cafeteria Mormon ideology is that obedience and "sustaining" the Bretheren are separate issues. Yet according to the teachings of the Bretheren, obedience is how you determine whether someone is a faithful member of the Church.

I didn't say that. Man, stop exposing what is wrong with your game. it makes your efforts here look disengenuous at best.

What the heck does it matter to you if I expose what is wrong with the game of Moplogetics?

Unwittingly you expose your own game while complaing others who tend to play something similar. Its hypocrisy, DJ. Why don't you ever just settle down?

And Stemelbow, if you choose to reject the inspired counsel of the Bretheren and change the very ground on which you stand, then your apostasy is between you and the Lord.

You're far more condemnatory then they are, but yet you enjoy making a fuss about any comdemning comments. My goodness stop the charade already.

stemelbow wrote:Unwittingly you expose your own game while complaing others who tend to play something similar. Its hypocrisy, DJ. Why don't you ever just settle down?

No offense stem, but hypocrisy is claiming to support/sustain the LDS Church and its leaders and disregarding their council as unimportant.

Buffalo wrote:

stemelbow wrote:Unwittingly you expose your own game while complaing others who tend to play something similar. Its hypocrisy, DJ. Why don't you ever just settle down?

No offense stem, but hypocrisy is claiming to support/sustain the LDS Church and its leaders and disregarding their council as unimportant.

QFT