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When the Prophet Joseph Smith received the gold plates from the angel Moroni, he studied the strange language written on them. With Heavenly Father's help, Joseph translated the writing on the gold plates into words he could understand. Oliver Cowdery helped Joseph by being his scribe. As Joseph read out loud from the plates, Oliver wrote down the words. When the translation into English was completed, the book was printed. It is called the Book of Mormon.

The old "artistic" license excuse won't work here. Straight up lies, published by the church.

Oliver Cowdery served as a scribe to the Prophet Joseph as he translated the Book of Mormon. In describing his experience, Oliver wrote: "These were days never to be forgotten—to sit under the sound of a voice dictated by the inspiration of heaven, awakened the utmost gratitude of this bosom! Day after day I continued, uninterrupted, to write from his mouth, as he translated with the Urim and Thummim, or, as the Nephites would have said, 'interpreters,' the history or record called 'The Book of Mormon' " (Joseph Smith—History 1:71 footnote).

This was from the same link. The summary and this part do not actually match but the urim and thummim were placed in a hat according to one witness to the event. The translation process was never commented on by Joseph Smith. But I do think that it was done in a couple of ways and not just with his head in his hat. If we look at the drawing, we see no interpreters. And oliver said nothing in the above statement about a head in a hat. However the plates were covered in one interpretation of the event. So, we have little idea just how the process was done.

So, instead of choosing one of the known ways it was done they picked a random fantasy way.

ROTFLMAO

why me wrote:Oliver Cowdery served as a scribe to the Prophet Joseph as he translated the Book of Mormon. In describing his experience, Oliver wrote: "These were days never to be forgotten—to sit under the sound of a voice dictated by the inspiration of heaven, awakened the utmost gratitude of this bosom! Day after day I continued, uninterrupted, to write from his mouth, as he translated with the Urim and Thummim, or, as the Nephites would have said, 'interpreters,' the history or record called 'The Book of Mormon' " (Joseph Smith—History 1:71 footnote).

This was from the same link. The summary and this part do not actually match but the urim and thummim were placed in a hat according to one witness to the event. The translation process was never commented on by Joseph Smith. But I do think that it was done in a couple of ways and not just with his head in his hat. If we look at the drawing, we see no interpreters. And oliver said nothing in the above statement about a head in a hat. However the plates were covered in one interpretation of the event. So, we have little idea just how the process was done.

"As Joseph read out loud from the plates, Oliver wrote down the words."

Demonstrable fib.

Buffalo wrote:
"As Joseph read out loud from the plates, Oliver wrote down the words."

Demonstrable fib.

Well it doesn't actually say he read out loud from the plates when the plates were in front of him.

Maybe the words he was reading were relayed from the plates as they lay underneath a cloth or the bed or hidden in the woods to the stones in the Urim & Thummin while it was stuffed in the hat with his face covering it.

Fence Sitter wrote:
Well it doesn't actually say he read out loud from the plates when the plates were in front of him.

Maybe the words he was reading were relayed from the plates as they lay underneath a cloth or the bed or hidden in the woods to the stones in the Urim & Thummin while it was stuffed in the hat with his face covering it.

Reading aloud from the plates can be interpreted in many ways. However, the history which was also on the link does not support the drawing at all. So, I don't see the lie or fib in the text on the link. Joseph did read from the plates even if his head was in a hat. The words came from the plates.

why me wrote:This was from the same link. The summary and this part do not actually match but the urim and thummim were placed in a hat according to one witness to the event. The translation process was never commented on by Joseph Smith. But I do think that it was done in a couple of ways and not just with his head in his hat. If we look at the drawing, we see no interpreters. And oliver said nothing in the above statement about a head in a hat. However the plates were covered in one interpretation of the event. So, we have little idea just how the process was done.

One witness? The Mormon websites leave out the head in hat part, but this is more than one of a few direct witness accounts:

Emma Smith
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Smith

She later wrote in an interview with her son, Joseph Smith III: "In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day, often sitting at the table close by him, he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us."

Another thing whyme, when are you going to call a seer stone a seer stone and stop "conflating" the words Urim and Thummim with seer stones? The Nephite interpreters were taken back after the evil doers stole the lost 116 pages (D&C 10), so all that were left were seer stones.

why me wrote:the urim and thummim were placed in a hat according to one witness to the event.

That must have been one huge hat for a breastplate with spectacles attached to fit inside.

why me wrote:... as he translated with the Urim and Thummim, ...

The Seer Stone converted itself into this lost relic of Jewish antiquity?

Darth J wrote:

why me wrote:the urim and thummim were placed in a hat according to one witness to the event.

That must have been one huge hat for a breastplate with spectacles attached to fit inside.

He, he, he

:)


(Ceeboo would love to have a burger and a beer with Darth J some day)

Peace,
Ceeboo