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Posted: **Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:28 am**

Over at the ironically named MD&D board, poster DaddyG asked the posters there to think up some criticisms of their own worldview:

I have a question for defenders of the faith (Apologists, TBMs, future General Authorities, etc) and another question for critics of the LDS faith (former-mo's, never-mo's, anti-mo's, devils advocates, fringers, etc)

Defenders of the LDS faith: What is your greatest issue with the church as it is today (doctrinal, practices or cultural)?

Critics of the LDS faith: What is your greatest reason to like the church as it is today (doctrinal, practices or cultural)?

Please no back handed complements or snide jeers at the other side. Give it a page before you start arguing/defending other posts.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation and participation!

SAUCE

To which, LDS Philosopher and pundit Bukowski commented:

Bukowski wrote:I think there is a built-in conceptual contradiction here.

As a "defender of the faith", I would never post ANY issues I may have with the church much less the "greatest" one.

All it would do is give ammo to the opposition.

Stunned, MDB pretty boy, Brade asked askance:

brade wrote:Are you being serious?

And the chilling answer?

Bukowski wrote:Absolutely.

This is war as far as I am concerned. Why would I spend time here if I was going to oppose my own efforts?

You think critics are here to praise the church?

Telling.

And we’re a bunch of dogmatic fundamentalists?

Tsk tsk.

Posted: **Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:29 am**

IN B4 someone cries this is out of context.

Posted: **Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:36 am**

MrStakhanovite wrote:
Bukowski wrote: This is war as far as I am concerned. Why would I spend time here if I was going to oppose my own efforts?

You think critics are here to praise the church?

Telling.

And we’re a bunch of dogmatic fundamentalists?

Tsk tsk.

I am not at all surprised. DaddyG is courting danger by appearing willing to think a little too openly. Bukowski has the bunker mentality that characterizes all the hardcore Mopologists. It *is* about war, and all who don't toe the line are enemies to the cause, whether they realize it or not. There can be no quarter given to the enemy or his point of view. No sign of weakness or acceptance of the wrong views. Will is the poster child of how to do it the right way according to the Mopologetic credo.

Posted: **Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:37 am**

I posted that just for you.

I just love being famous. A hearty thanks to you and all my other fans over here. Can you find the quote I made about the Trailer Park Sports bar?

I expect that to get full coverage and at least another thread all for itself over here.

Get to it NOW.

Posted: **Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:39 am**

mfbukowski wrote:I posted that just for you.

I just love being famous. A hearty thanks to you and all my other fans over here. Can you find the quote I made about the Trailer Park Sports bar?

I expect that to get full coverage and at least another thread all for itself over here.

Get to it NOW.

You're a legend in your own mind, mf.

Posted: **Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:40 am**

mfbukowski wrote:
I just love being famous.

Ya, but are you sure you love what you are famous for?

H.

Posted: **Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:40 am**

mfbukowski wrote:Can you find the quote I made about the Trailer Park Sports bar?

Way ahead of you, but I thought that comment was made in good fun, unlike learning about others for the sole purpose of debunking them, which is intellectually dishonest.

Posted: **Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:43 am**

MrStakhanovite wrote:
mfbukowski wrote:Can you find the quote I made about the Trailer Park Sports bar?

Way ahead of you, but I thought that comment was made in good fun, unlike learning about others for the sole purpose of debunking them, which is intellectually dishonest.

That's the name of the Mopologetic game.

Posted: **Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:47 am**

Kishkumen wrote:
MrStakhanovite wrote:Way ahead of you, but I thought that comment was made in good fun, unlike learning about others for the sole purpose of debunking them, which is intellectually dishonest.

That's the name of the Mopologetic game.

Sad but true.

Posted: **Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:55 am**

It seems to me that the most respected thinkers in "apologetics" such as Bushman and Givens are more than willing to discuss what they see as the "hard" issues. Even Dr. Peterson seems willing to acknowledge their existence if asked.

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