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So, has the church come out and said anything on electronic cigarettes yet? I mean, it's not covered, right? The church is against tobacco use but e-cigs don't have tobacco, just nicotine (which is optional, actually).

E-cigs are a quitting device like the patch or nicotine gum. Is the church against those? (I honestly don't know). I would think their stance should be the same.

Oh, what a fine opportunity for some good ol' fashioned continuing revelation... maybe something to spice up the next GC that's better than earring choices.

Would someone using these, or any of the quit smoking aids, be denied baptism?

And while TSM’s busy revelatin’ about e-cigs, maybe he can ask about doctor-prescribed medical marijuana, too.

café crema wrote:Would someone using these, or any of the quit smoking aids, be denied baptism?

Good question. Again, I have no idea. Since there's no official stance on it (that I know of), I imagine the supernatural law would be determined on a bishop by bishop basis.

I guess the "moral" ambiguity here has to do with whether using a stop smoking aid that closely resembles the real thing could be construed as not avoiding the appearance of evil (as opposed to using the patch, for instance).

But I don't want to do the church's job here. It's up to them to tell us all whether Jesus gives a damn about this or not.

Corpsegrinder wrote:And while TSM’s busy revelatin’ about e-cigs, maybe he can ask about doctor-prescribed medical marijuana, too.

hehe

Would someone using these, or any of the quit smoking aids, be denied baptism?

If the solution contained nicotine, I would certainly deny baptism or TR, even though nicotine is not specifically mentioned. Otherwise, I would question and research and perhaps all would be fine.

bcspace wrote:

Would someone using these, or any of the quit smoking aids, be denied baptism?

If the solution contained nicotine, I would certainly deny baptism or TR, even though nicotine is not specifically mentioned. Otherwise, I would question and research and perhaps all would be fine.

So it's your opinion that if a person attempts to quit smoking (something encouraged by the WoW) by using the patch, they're still unworthy of baptism?

"WoW" is right.

bcspace wrote:

Would someone using these, or any of the quit smoking aids, be denied baptism?

If the solution contained nicotine, I would certainly deny baptism or TR, even though nicotine is not specifically mentioned. Otherwise, I would question and research and perhaps all would be fine.

I am led to believe that members are not to receive disciplinary action for Word of Wisdom transgressions. Does the not include the discipline if recommend removal?

I also think the Word of Wisdom is one of the most unclear doctrines of te Church. How many members eat more meat than 'at times of winter or famine'? I suspect the majority.

Drifting wrote:
I also think the Word of Wisdom is one of the most unclear doctrines of te Church. How many members eat more meat than 'at times of winter or famine'? I suspect the majority.

That is because you are accepting the Church's diktat that "the Word of Wisdom" is equivalent to D&C 89. It is not. "The Word of Wisdom" as taught by the modern LDS Church is the temperance movement of the late 19th and early 20th centuries. But don't take my word for it. Ask the FAIRies:

http://fairmormon.org/Word_of_Wisdom/Hi ... ementation (the FAIR wiki states that the current understanding of the Word of Wisdom is the result of "continuing revelation" but fails to cite the supposed revelation that supersedes the plain language of D&C 89)

http://www.mormonfortress.com/wow2.html (Michael Ash concedes the point but declares that adopting contemporary health ideas and social attitudes is "revelation")

Darth J wrote:

Drifting wrote:
I also think the Word of Wisdom is one of the most unclear doctrines of te Church. How many members eat more meat than 'at times of winter or famine'? I suspect the majority.

That is because you are accepting the Church's diktat that "the Word of Wisdom" is equivalent to D&C 89. It is not. "The Word of Wisdom" as taught by the modern LDS Church is the temperance movement of the late 19th and early 20th centuries. But don't take my word for it. Ask the FAIRies:

http://fairmormon.org/Word_of_Wisdom/Hi ... ementation (the FAIR wiki states that the current understanding of the Word of Wisdom is the result of "continuing revelation" but fails to cite the supposed revelation that supersedes the plain language of D&C 89)

http://www.mormonfortress.com/wow2.html (Michael Ash concedes the point but declares that adopting contemporary health ideas and social attitudes is "revelation")

Seriously. The current LDS health code has almost nothing in common with Joseph Smith's Word of Wisdom.