John McLay; Brooke McLay

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[_Buffalo]

Oddity: Yahoo Bot, insecure in his own faith, must make the couple's apostasy all about Brooke's gay friend and not the issues. Typical.

[_Buffalo]

9. These two are very insulated persons. I had to laugh when John started sobbing about his relationship with a student who was upset over the death of her pet goat. That reminded me of the time my sons attended a Deacons' Quorum meeting in central Utah where the lesson centered on whether could walk or ride his horse on Sunday without violating the sabbath. Their insular condition led to intense personal conflicts when they started to realize they weren't little children any more. Other people outside their little society were interested in Brooke.

10. He's desperate because his isn't the kind of marriage to which he agreed. He also comes across as a weak hanky-twister, the kind of man supremely acceptable in CES --- the crying and sobbing, but not the one to keep up with a hard-driven, capable woman. She's coming to grasp with her feminism, after years of living in an extremely insular and protected environment. As a result, she's blaming the church for her insular state, and he's blaming the church for what she's doing. But she signed onto CES, and CES is not the Church.

Are you a recent convert to Mormonism? You seem unfamiliar with Mormon culture.

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Oddity: Yahoo Bot, insecure in his own faith, must make the couple's apostasy all about Brooke's gay friend and not the issues. Typical.

I'd say that a large part of hour 2 and hour 3 discussed this issue. They shouldn't have, but because they have it becomes a matter of comment and criticism.

Maybe they made the mistake of reading The Miracle of Forgiveness.

They didn't mention it. They did not strike me as readers. Indeed, he says he chose not to read In Sacred Loneliness. But, they certainly had no clue as to the Christian doctrine of reconciliation.

Are you a recent convert to Mormonism? You seem unfamiliar with Mormon culture.

I actually know CES quite well. I work for CES. John McLay fits the stereotype of many a professional CES employee I've met.

Yes, they handed unethical stone throwers such as yourself an out to avoid the important issues they brought up.

Well, nobody's going to erecting statues to critics, as the saying goes, but surely they've expected public critique by their four-hour interview.

I agree that following your conscience may indeed lead you out of the church, but homosexuality was only one of many many issues discussed. But what Bot is trying to do is say that Brooke had a crush on a gay guy, which lead her & hubby out of the church. Typically dishonest mopology.

That is not what I'm saying. But, John McLay said several times that his marriage was on the ropes.

Man, this has really touched a nerve with you.

I'm bored and avoiding doing green-eye shade work. So you get this.

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14. I hope the McLays come back. They expect perfection of themselves but fail to realize that nobody's perfect in the Church. Not even close. As I used to tell the teenagers I'd counsel, I'd tell them that each of the adults in the ward had terrible stories to tell about themselves if required. Christ is about forgiveness, not perfection.

Maybe they made the mistake of reading The Miracle of Forgiveness.

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Oddity: Yahoo Bot, insecure in his own faith, must make the couple's apostasy all about Brooke's gay friend and not the issues. Typical.

I'd say that a large part of hour 2 and hour 3 discussed this issue. They shouldn't have, but because they have it becomes a matter of comment and criticism.

Yes, they handed unethical stone throwers such as yourself an out to avoid the important issues they brought up.

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Oddity: Yahoo Bot, insecure in his own faith, must make the couple's apostasy all about Brooke's gay friend and not the issues. Typical.

Not have read or listened to this story, I'd say Yahoo Bot, if he's actually done this, is likely correct. Wanting to be helpful or liberal or cool with regards to homosexuality could indeed be the impetus of finding a excuses not to believe.

[_Buffalo]

Oddity: Yahoo Bot, insecure in his own faith, must make the couple's apostasy all about Brooke's gay friend and not the issues. Typical.

Not have read or listened to this story, I'd say Yahoo Bot, if he's actually done this, is likely correct. Wanting to be helpful or liberal or cool with regards to homosexuality could indeed be the impetus of finding a excuses not to believe.

I agree that following your conscience may indeed lead you out of the church, but homosexuality was only one of many many issues discussed. But what Bot is trying to do is say that Brooke had a crush on a gay guy, which lead her & hubby out of the church. Typically dishonest mopology.

[_Willy Law]

Man, this has really touched a nerve with you.

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I agree that following your conscience may indeed lead you out of the church, but homosexuality was only one of many many issues discussed. But what Bot is trying to do is say that Brooke had a crush on a gay guy, which lead her & hubby out of the church. Typically dishonest mopology.

Your first sentence describes the second sentence so the dishonesty is yours. Also, this might say the gay guy is not really gay after all......