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Mormon Church replaces it's historian w attorney
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:18 pm
by _Joey
Interesting article
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53288 ... n.html.cspTime for the church to legal up about it's history! And why the need for an attorney to be a historian? What kind of background is that for this position?
If only Provo were here to tell us all how involved in this decision he was. Oops, excuse me, Provo and Hamblin!
I'm guessing the Carla Ogden fiasco brought in the need for an attorney!
Re: Mormon Church replaces it's historian w attorney
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:22 pm
by _Drifting
God needs His paperwork sorting.
Re: Mormon Church replaces it's historian w attorney
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:27 pm
by _sock puppet
The Mormon Church has a long and storied history of lawyering up. Even JSJr boasted he was "Big Lawyer". But lawyering up in the historian's office simply makes one wonder why.
Re: Mormon Church replaces it's historian w attorney
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:57 pm
by _Aristotle Smith
Sorry Joey, Marlin K. Jensen is also an attorney. They are replacing an attorney with an attorney.
Re: Mormon Church replaces it's historian w attorney
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:23 pm
by _Joey
Aristotle Smith wrote:Sorry Joey, Marlin K. Jensen is also an attorney. They are replacing an attorney with an attorney.
So you're saying Ogden won't be pursued for using church fax forms and Hambin is safe from censorship for false statements in his FARMS article?
Re: Mormon Church replaces it's historian w attorney
Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:40 am
by _ludwigm
LDS general authority Marlin K. Jensen was not a professional historian nor an academic
http://speeches.BYU.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6751 wrote:Fifth: The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
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Instead of using the smooth side of the inclined plane, you can also use the pointed edges to do other kinds of work. For example, you can use the edge to push things apart. Then, the inclined plane is a wedge. So, a wedge is actually a kind of inclined plane. An axeblade is a wedge. Think of the edge of the blade. It's the edge of a smooth slanted surface. That's a wedge! Want to know more?
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Re: Mormon Church replaces it's historian w attorney
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:48 pm
by _zeezrom
"The fifteen men really do know, and they really care. And they realize that maybe since Kirtland, we never have had a period of, I’ll call it apostasy, like we’re having right now; largely over these issues." -- Elder Marlin Jensen, LDS Church Historian, 2011
Re: Mormon Church replaces it's historian w attorney
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:02 pm
by _Jason Bourne
I saw that statement by Elder Jensen. It amazed me that he acknowledged this in such a way.
Re: Mormon Church replaces it's historian w attorney
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:23 pm
by _TrashcanMan79
zeezrom wrote:"The fifteen men really do know, and they really care. And they realize that maybe since Kirtland, we never have had a period of, I’ll call it apostasy, like we’re having right now; largely over these issues." -- Elder Marlin Jensen, LDS Church Historian, 2011
I don't recall seeing this in the article linked above. Where is this from?
Re: Mormon Church replaces it's historian w attorney
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:27 pm
by _bcspace
And why the need for an attorney to be a historian?
Maybe there is an over the top lawyer who needs to be moved out of lawyering?
I saw that statement by Elder Jensen. It amazed me that he acknowledged this in such a way.
He also said, "I think we have an obligation as the stewards of Church history to keep faith and retain the trust of the prophet and his fourteen associates in the administration of the Church. And to carry out whatever we do in a way that corresponds with their view and their goals for the Church generally so that we're not just a rogue or independent Church history department but we're nestled safely within the Church doing with Church history what the leaders of the Church and then hopefully what the Lord would want us to do."
And he prefaced that with "I want to say this delicately" but the reality is that there is no delicate way of putting the fact that what's produced will not damage faith or contradict doctrine.