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More bad news for creationists.
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:18 am
by _Quasimodo
Researchers evolve a multicellular yeast in the lab in 2 months.
Is this evolution? YES!
Does it drive another stake into the heart of Creationist theories? YES.
http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2012/01/researchers-evolve-a-multicellular-yeast-in-the-lab-in-2-months.arsWhen we think of life on Earth, most of us think of multicellular organisms, like large mammals or massive trees. But we're only aware of multicellular life evolving three times, which suggested it might be a major hurdle. Now, a new study describes how researchers evolved a multicellular form of yeast (the same species that contributes to bread and beer), and were able to see specialized cell behaviors and reproduction in as little as 60 days.
Opinions?
Re: More bad news for creationists.
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:30 am
by _Stormy Waters
It's good that there is more evidence for evolution, but for creationists it's not really about evidence, and it hasn't been for a while. People who deny evolution simply want the Biblical creation story to be true, and they're willing to prove their faith by denying the mountains of evidence.
Re: More bad news for creationists.
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:39 am
by _bcspace
Opinions?
The modern dessert banana is already an example of human and natural selection. The banana would not have existed in the garden of Eden.
Re: More bad news for creationists.
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:40 am
by _Quasimodo
Stormy Waters wrote:It's good that there is more evidence for evolution, but for creationists it's not really about evidence, and it hasn't been for a while. People who deny evolution simply want the Biblical creation story to be true, and they're willing to prove their faith by denying the mountains of evidence.
All that is true. Still, every once in a while, the last straw does break the camels back. I've seen it on this board (very rarely). One can only keep pointing out the facts in hopes that a few eventually catch on.
Re: More bad news for creationists.
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:43 am
by _bcspace
All that is true. Still, every once in a while, the last straw does break the camels back. I've seen it on this board (very rarely). One can only keep pointing out the facts in hopes that a few eventually catch on.
As you well know, even anti Mormons hang on to the worst of arguments long after they've been refuted.
Re: More bad news for creationists.
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:43 am
by _Quasimodo
bcspace wrote:Opinions?
The modern dessert banana is already an example of human and natural selection. The banana would not have existed in the garden of Eden.
I'm stunned, bc. Are you saying that something that didn't exist in the garden of Eden could have evolved?
Re: More bad news for creationists.
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:49 am
by _Quasimodo
bcspace wrote:All that is true. Still, every once in a while, the last straw does break the camels back. I've seen it on this board (very rarely). One can only keep pointing out the facts in hopes that a few eventually catch on.
As you well know, even anti Mormons hang on to the worst of arguments long after they've been refuted.
:)! As do many anti-everyone-but-Mormons (AEBM's?).
You have to agree that it is a very interesting article.
Re: More bad news for creationists.
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:10 am
by _Tarski
bcspace wrote:Opinions?
The modern dessert banana is already an example of human and natural selection. The banana would not have existed in the garden of Eden.
Yes but there were plenty of apples in Middle Earth.
Re: More bad news for creationists.
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:29 am
by _Darth J
As someone who does not believe in intelligent design or "creation science," can I just throw out an idea here?
There was a group of sentient, intelligent people, who wanted to cause an organism to develop a certain way.....
They purposefully acted on the organism so it would develop the way they wanted it to....
It worked....
And this disproves a creator being involved in evolution, right?
Re: More bad news for creationists.
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:00 am
by _Stormy Waters
Darth J wrote:As someone who does not believe in intelligent design or "creation science," can I just throw out an idea here?
There was a group of sentient, intelligent people, who wanted to cause an organism to develop a certain way.....
They purposefully acted on the organism so it would develop the way they wanted it to....
It worked....
And this disproves a creator being involved in evolution, right?
This doesn't disprove a creator that it is involved in evolution, but it is more evidence for evolution. This is more evidence against strict creationists who deny evolution is real.
I think an interesting thread would be a discussion for those who try to reconcile evolution with the Biblical creator. If the purpose of life is for us to come here and be tested, why would this God use a method of 'evolutionary creation' that is so wasteful? Why would he use a method that it so incredibly time consuming? Think of the all transitionary animals that had to live and die just so that we could get to this point. If this God could just make it happen, why do it through evolution? Especially when it seems to contradict the story he left in the Bible. Thus causing some to question his very existence.