About the hypothesis of bcspace
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:37 am
bcspace gave his hypothesis on another thread.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=22190
"by the way, my own hypothesis does not have any "unsouled". It assumes, as per LDS doctrine, that every living thing has a spirit. In my hypothesis (read: not doctrine), preAdamite homo sapiens have spirits, but they are not the literal spirit children of God, but lesser spirits not capable of taking advantage of the available brain power; perhaps a plausible explanation for a quarter of a million years of homo sapiens without civilization."
If by civilization you mean domesticated plants and animals it might surprise you to know that the cause of agriculture was climate change. It had nothing to do with spirits from children of God coming to earth and into the family of Adam and Eve.
Origin of agriculture and domestication of plants and animals linked to early holocene climate amelioration
http://www.ias.ac.in/currsci/jul102004/54.pdf
"That agriculture did not start during the Pleistocene can be explained from the fact that last glacial climates were extremely unfavourable to agriculture"
Was agriculture impossible during the pleistocene but mandatory during the holocene?
http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/anthro/facul ... rigins.pdf
bcspace said "they are not the literal spirit children of God, but lesser spirits not capable of taking advantage of the available brain power"
45 years after Columbus discovered the Indians and only 20 years after Martin Luther published The Ninety-Five Theses and began the reformation, Pope Paul III addressed this very issue.
Sublimus Dei, May 29, 1537
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Paul03/p3subli.htm
"The enemy of the human race, who opposes all good deeds in order to bring men to destruction, beholding and envying this, invented a means never before heard of, by which he might hinder the preaching of God's word of Salvation to the people: he inspired his satellites who, to please him, have not hesitated to publish abroad that the Indians of the West and the South, and other people of whom We have recent knowledge should be treated as dumb brutes created for our service, pretending that they are incapable of receiving the Catholic Faith."
These brutes that looked human but whose spirits were not the children of God, these are the very people that domesticated plants that today provide 3/5 of the worlds cultivated crops. None of these plants were mentioned at all in the Book of Mormon. These domestications began before Adam and Eve. The world owes a debt of gratitude to the ancient American inhabitants, not a hypothesis that their souls were not the spirit children of a heavenly father. Statements like that are quite offensive and are nothing more than old ideas that have been disputed for centuries.
Here are some sources for domestications in ancient America.
The Journey of New World Foods
http://www.pbs.org/kcet/when-worlds-col ... foods.html
"By one estimate, three-fifths of the crops now being cultivated around the world were developed by indigenous Americans"
The domestication of maize and its spread throughout the Americas is an interesting study.
A single domestication for maize shown by multilocus microsatellite genotyping
http://www.pnas.org/content/99/9/6080.full.pdf+html
"From an early diversification in the Mexican highlands, the phylogenies and PCA suggest two lineages or paths of dispersal. One path traces through western and northern Mexico into the southwestern U.S. and then into the eastern U.S. and Canada. A second path leads out of the highlands to the western and southern lowlands of Mexico into Guatemala, the Caribbean Islands, the lowlands of South America, and finally the Andes Mountains."
"maize of the eastern U.S. with its long, slender ears was derived from that of the southwestern U.S., which in turn came from northern Mexico."
"The maize of the Andes Mountains with its distinctive hand-grenade-shaped ears was derived from the maize of lowland South America, which in turn came from maize of the lowlands of Guatemala and southern Mexico."
Regions within the U.S. did not have maize until after the Book of Mormon timeline had ended. But these people with "lesser spirits" had domesticated their own crops and they did this before the Book of Mormon timeline began.
Eastern North America as an independent center of plant domestication
http://www.pnas.org/content/103/33/12223.full
Marshelder, Chenopod (lambsquarter or goosefoot), Squash-Cucurbito pepo (includes crooknecks, acorn and scallop squashes) and Sunflower were domesticated in the region of the United States without diffusion from Meso-America.
The domestication of the wild turkey also occurred in the region of the U.S., independent of the birds in Mexico.
Ancient mitochondrial dna analysis reveals complexity of indigenous north american turkey domestication
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/ ... l.pdf+html
"Phylogeographic analyses indicate that this domestic breed originated from outside the region, but rules out the South Mexican domestic turkey (Meleagris gallopavo gallopavo) as a progenitor. A strong genetic bottleneck within the Southwest turkeys also reflects intensive human selection and breeding. This study points to at least two occurrences of turkey domestication in precontact North America and illuminates the intensity and sophistication of New World animal breeding practices."
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=22190
"by the way, my own hypothesis does not have any "unsouled". It assumes, as per LDS doctrine, that every living thing has a spirit. In my hypothesis (read: not doctrine), preAdamite homo sapiens have spirits, but they are not the literal spirit children of God, but lesser spirits not capable of taking advantage of the available brain power; perhaps a plausible explanation for a quarter of a million years of homo sapiens without civilization."
If by civilization you mean domesticated plants and animals it might surprise you to know that the cause of agriculture was climate change. It had nothing to do with spirits from children of God coming to earth and into the family of Adam and Eve.
Origin of agriculture and domestication of plants and animals linked to early holocene climate amelioration
http://www.ias.ac.in/currsci/jul102004/54.pdf
"That agriculture did not start during the Pleistocene can be explained from the fact that last glacial climates were extremely unfavourable to agriculture"
Was agriculture impossible during the pleistocene but mandatory during the holocene?
http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/anthro/facul ... rigins.pdf
bcspace said "they are not the literal spirit children of God, but lesser spirits not capable of taking advantage of the available brain power"
45 years after Columbus discovered the Indians and only 20 years after Martin Luther published The Ninety-Five Theses and began the reformation, Pope Paul III addressed this very issue.
Sublimus Dei, May 29, 1537
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Paul03/p3subli.htm
"The enemy of the human race, who opposes all good deeds in order to bring men to destruction, beholding and envying this, invented a means never before heard of, by which he might hinder the preaching of God's word of Salvation to the people: he inspired his satellites who, to please him, have not hesitated to publish abroad that the Indians of the West and the South, and other people of whom We have recent knowledge should be treated as dumb brutes created for our service, pretending that they are incapable of receiving the Catholic Faith."
These brutes that looked human but whose spirits were not the children of God, these are the very people that domesticated plants that today provide 3/5 of the worlds cultivated crops. None of these plants were mentioned at all in the Book of Mormon. These domestications began before Adam and Eve. The world owes a debt of gratitude to the ancient American inhabitants, not a hypothesis that their souls were not the spirit children of a heavenly father. Statements like that are quite offensive and are nothing more than old ideas that have been disputed for centuries.
Here are some sources for domestications in ancient America.
The Journey of New World Foods
http://www.pbs.org/kcet/when-worlds-col ... foods.html
"By one estimate, three-fifths of the crops now being cultivated around the world were developed by indigenous Americans"
The domestication of maize and its spread throughout the Americas is an interesting study.
A single domestication for maize shown by multilocus microsatellite genotyping
http://www.pnas.org/content/99/9/6080.full.pdf+html
"From an early diversification in the Mexican highlands, the phylogenies and PCA suggest two lineages or paths of dispersal. One path traces through western and northern Mexico into the southwestern U.S. and then into the eastern U.S. and Canada. A second path leads out of the highlands to the western and southern lowlands of Mexico into Guatemala, the Caribbean Islands, the lowlands of South America, and finally the Andes Mountains."
"maize of the eastern U.S. with its long, slender ears was derived from that of the southwestern U.S., which in turn came from northern Mexico."
"The maize of the Andes Mountains with its distinctive hand-grenade-shaped ears was derived from the maize of lowland South America, which in turn came from maize of the lowlands of Guatemala and southern Mexico."
Regions within the U.S. did not have maize until after the Book of Mormon timeline had ended. But these people with "lesser spirits" had domesticated their own crops and they did this before the Book of Mormon timeline began.
Eastern North America as an independent center of plant domestication
http://www.pnas.org/content/103/33/12223.full
Marshelder, Chenopod (lambsquarter or goosefoot), Squash-Cucurbito pepo (includes crooknecks, acorn and scallop squashes) and Sunflower were domesticated in the region of the United States without diffusion from Meso-America.
The domestication of the wild turkey also occurred in the region of the U.S., independent of the birds in Mexico.
Ancient mitochondrial dna analysis reveals complexity of indigenous north american turkey domestication
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/ ... l.pdf+html
"Phylogeographic analyses indicate that this domestic breed originated from outside the region, but rules out the South Mexican domestic turkey (Meleagris gallopavo gallopavo) as a progenitor. A strong genetic bottleneck within the Southwest turkeys also reflects intensive human selection and breeding. This study points to at least two occurrences of turkey domestication in precontact North America and illuminates the intensity and sophistication of New World animal breeding practices."
