MDD Board Gloats over Ruination of Texas Prof's Job

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[_Doctor Scratch]

for what it's worth, Hasa, I didn't find your post to be off-topic. There are lots of things that the Mopologists have done that have the potential (or would have the potential, anyway, provided that they ran around in "normal" circles) to get them in serious trouble. For example, Prof. Hamblin's K-word-laced rant, which, last I checked, is still sitting there in clear daylight for all to see over at FAIR. There is anti-homosexual bigotry in the pages of the FARMS Review as well, and this is accessible via the Maxwell Institute's Web site. I think that if Mak, CQUIRK and the others were genuinely concerned with combatting bigotry (rather than merely engaging in Mopologetics), they would look to clean up their own backyard first.

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[_Doctor Scratch]

I don't know if you've been following the MDD thread, Hasa, but it's taken some very interesting turns.

[_MCB]

Very interesting. Seems like I might have seen a somewhat analogous situation in a public school setting somewhere.

[_maklelan]

Our old forger buddy Maklelan has launched a very schadenfreude-heavy thread over on the ironically named Mormon Dialogue board:

http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/567 ... classroom/

A couple years ago I posted on a prominent anti-Mormon who was teaching for a Texas community college and appeared to be actively spreading bigotry in his classroom. Several people involved in higher education chimed in and commented that his approach was absolutely unacceptable. It was recently brought to my attention that this professor has now resigned as a direct result of his bigotry. Apparently two Muslim students were particularly offended and interrupted his class repeatedly, finally storming out while one allegedly made a veiled threat to the class. A police report was filed, but one of the students who stormed out sent an email to the school and the students documenting the teacher's bigotry elsewhere on the internet. The school began to come down on the teacher rather than the students, and he resigned. I cover the details on my blog, here.

Now, I am of a divided opinion on this. On the one hand, the material that Mak documented is indeed quite bigoted; provided that the accounts are accurate, the prof. probably did deserve to be canned. On the other hand, there is something very off-putting about the reaction of Maklelan and his crew of MDD posters. Morgan.Deane, it seems, actually went out of his way to contact human resources at the college where this guy teaches. To this, Maklelan responded:

I never did get in touch with the school after hearing about his behavior, but I feel now like I should have.

This is vaguely reminiscent of John Tvedtnes's attempts to interfere in Thomas Murphy's tenure process, though clearly the "offenses" of the targets were vastly different. The point seems to be that, if you dare to upset the Mopologists, they will come after you in real life.

First, Paul was not fired. He voluntarily resigned. He paints a picture of an admin that was not visibly concerned about it, but his account is a dense fog of rhetoric and polemic, so I wouldn't be surprised if that's not quite true. Second, I don't understand how you can think he deserved to lose his job, but that it is inappropriate for me to wish I had reported this behavior earlier. Is it better that these two students blew up in class, and that a police report was filed and other students felt unsafe? Why do you think I wish I had reported his behavior earlier? Do you think I just wish I could have been a part of it? Do you think I just wanted to stick it to Paul? Whatever your thoughts, the reason I wish I had said something was because it might have prevented that rather unsettling experience those students had to go through. The behavior I was talking about was intimidating an LDS student from attending his class after forcing her to participate in a mock trial to determine if Mormonism was Christian or not, and then going online to boast about it. A non-Mormon religious studies professor who is a friend of mine called his actions "nothing short of professional misconduct." Do you really think that it would be inappropriate for me to get in touch with the school and let them know about that kind of behavior? Would that really have been out of line of me?

Paul is not a rational or balanced person. He has long suggested that the US government should monitor all mosques 24-hours a day. He suggests that Muslims should be routinely searched. He suggests that Muslims who break the law should either be deported or executed, depending on the severity of the law (and he specifies that it should even be applied for spitting on the sidewalk). He posts pictures of his firing range practice and lets everyone know he will be carrying a concealed handgun at all times now. That you would try to cultivate this asinine notion that my wish to have prevented the events described in my post is "off-putting" or indicative of Schadenfreude is just depraved.

[_maklelan]

He apparently thought it would be wise to use his past, criminal actions as a means of establishing his own Mopologetic bona fides.

No, Scratch, I was responding to a direct question about how I could have known what a forger would have been thinking:

Why does it have to make sense to you? Do you think like a forger would think?

I spent quite a bit of time trying to help you grasp that fact long ago, starting here:

viewtopic.php?p=255227#p255227

It appears that you've either forgotten about that conversation or are intentionally misrepresenting events in an effort to have something to bitch about. Given your proclivity for the latter, I'm leaning in that direction:

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[_maklelan]

The mopologists' loyalties and techniques remind me of episodes of The Sopranos.

To what loyalties and techniques of mine do you refer? Please provide quotes from my post.

[_maklelan]

for what it's worth, Hasa, I didn't find your post to be off-topic. There are lots of things that the Mopologists have done that have the potential (or would have the potential, anyway, provided that they ran around in "normal" circles) to get them in serious trouble. For example, Prof. Hamblin's K-word-laced rant, which, last I checked, is still sitting there in clear daylight for all to see over at FAIR. There is anti-homosexual bigotry in the pages of the FARMS Review as well, and this is accessible via the Maxwell Institute's Web site. I think that if Mak, CQUIRK and the others were genuinely concerned with combatting bigotry (rather than merely engaging in Mopologetics), they would look to clean up their own backyard first.

I am "merely engaging in Mopologetics"? I disagree. Please support your assertion. Please use actual quotes rather than paraphrases.

[_MCB]

I think that if Mak, CQUIRK and the others were genuinely concerned with combatting bigotry (rather than merely engaging in Mopologetics), they would look to clean up their own backyard first.

The Texas Prof, if these reports are accurate, was in the wrong. However, LDS and LDS dominated organizations and communities are responsible for many more offenses against the civil rights of others than the opposite. This Texas prof story is actually an anomaly.