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zeezrom wrote:Wisdom Seeker,

I wonder if these kinds of talks put limits on learning for the kids?

I am making up for lost time. I'm sitting here at 10:37 PM pinning up all kinds of images that I finally feel okay looking at. After all these years! There was an evening when I sneaked my sister's fashion magazine into my room and started looking at it. My dad came into my room and I tried to throw it under my bed but he noticed. I was caught and I felt horrible. He didn't really care but after talking to my mother about it, came back into my room and proceeded to give me a very long talk about how I shouldn't look at that "girly pictures".

It has been many years since then, believing with all my heart that the wimpy Holy Ghost freaks out if I look at interesting images. Now I look and I'm not afraid of Richard G. Scott or Boyd anymore. Jackie Kennedy Onassis, Paul Newman, James Dean, LBDs, Annette Vadim, Grace Kelly, and sunglasses in aston martins. Not only do I look freely, I love it. Yes, I look at it all and I don't wonder to myself, "Does this offend the Holy Ghost"?

zeezrom wrote:Wisdom Seeker,

I wonder if these kinds of talks put limits on learning for the kids?

I am making up for lost time. I'm sitting here at 10:37 PM pinning up all kinds of images that I finally feel okay looking at. After all these years! There was an evening when I sneaked my sister's fashion magazine into my room and started looking at it. My dad came into my room and I tried to throw it under my bed but he noticed. I was caught and I felt horrible. He didn't really care but after talking to my mother about it, came back into my room and proceeded to give me a very long talk about how I shouldn't look at that "girly pictures".

It has been many years since then, believing with all my heart that the wimpy Holy Ghost freaks out if I look at interesting images. Now I look and I'm not afraid of Richard G. Scott or Boyd anymore. Jackie Kennedy Onassis, Paul Newman, James Dean, LBDs, Annette Vadim, Grace Kelly, and sunglasses in aston martins. Not only do I look freely, I love it. Yes, I look at it all and I don't wonder to myself, "Does this offend the Holy Ghost"?

Wisdom Seeker wrote:Last night they invited all seminary ages teens and their parents for a special Seminary Centennial broadcast. It was about 1/3 talks about seminary and 2/3 BKP telling the youth that never acting upon those alone-time feelings will keep you not guilty. He spoke about urges and gender and how you should never tamper with those life giving powers of your body.

It seems as if at least once a month there is some ward, stake or worldwide broadcast for the teens to attend on Sunday nights. I have heard that a certain SP prepares a message and a meeting once a month and that he often calls up teen aged boys to the stand to declare that they are going on a mission. I can only assume that he calls up teen aged girls to declare that they intend to only marry in a temple to a boy that serves an honorable mission.

MrStakhanovite wrote:I tell you what, if I was a teen and I had 3 hours of Church Sunday, and I then had to come back later that night to listen to a geriatric man talk to me about masturbation, I’d be pretty angry.

I want to speak now in the Marion G. Romney pattern of straight talk about another matter. One thing that I have learned about young people through all these years, you not only can take truth, but you want to know the truth.

We know that gender was set in the premortal world. The spirit and the body are the soul of man. The matter of gender is of great concern to the brethren, as are all matters of morality. A few of you may have felt, or have been told that you were born with troubled feelings and you’re not guilty if you act upon these temptations. Doctrinally, we know that if that were true, your agency would have been erased. And that cannot happen. You always have a choice to follow the promptings of the Holy Ghost and live morally pure and chaste, one filled with virtue.

President Gordon B. Hinckley announced the following in a General Conference, “People inquire about our position on those who consider themselves gays or lesbians. My response is, Do we love them as sons and daughters of God? They may have certain inclinations which are powerful and which may be difficult to control. Most people have temptations of one kind or another at various times. If they do not act upon these inclinations, then they can go forward as others do as members of this Church. If they violate the law of chastity and the moral standards of the Church, then they are subject to church discipline, just as others are. We want to help strengthen them, to assist them with their problems and to help them with their difficulties, but we cannot stand idle if they indulge in immoral activity. If they try to uphold and defend and live in a so-called same-sex marriage situation. To permit such would be to make a light of a very serious and sacred foundation -- God sanctioned marriage and its very purpose in rearing the families."

President Hinckley was speaking for the Church. The first gift that Adam and Eve received was agency. Thou mayest choose for thyself, for it is given thee. You have the same agency. Use it wisely. Deny acting on any impure impulse or unholy temptation that may come into your mind is a blessing. Just do not go there. If you’re already there, come back out of it. Deny yourselves of all ungodliness. Do not tamper with the life-giving powers in your body, or with members of either gender. It is a standard of the Church, and it will not change.<