Runtu wrote: This is about someone defending the church, nothing more.
It is about putting it all into perspective. First, contact the bishop to find out what exactly happened. Then if it is offensive, to tell the bishop to please not let this kind of thing happen again...and to please inform the person who made the talk, not to do it again. And to see the bright side: I am missed.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
I've been thinking about your OP since I first saw it this afternoon.
You and I have been in enough council meetings of various sorts to know that, unless you have a very sympathetic and understanding Bishop (and if he were so, he would have said/done something about the inappropriate remarks on the spot), you will get no satisfaction from the "leaders" in your ward.
You are outnumbered and outgunned. Anyone who might think of coming to your defense will likely be concerned about coming under suspicion or being thought of as "lost" too. Anything that you say or do will be seen through the lens of your apostasy.
I'm not suggesting that you do not take whatever steps you think will let you feel that you have defended your own and your wife's honour - that you should do, of course - only that you should have zero expectation that you will have a desirable effect on anyone else. Especially if there are any "why me's" in your ward.
However, I'm always the "black hat" thinker, ... and so I have scope to be pleasantly surprised by your future news on the topic.
NOMinal member
Maksutov: "... if you give someone else the means to always push your buttons, you're lost."
Fence Sitter wrote:Members who came to such a confrontational event would leave any meeting like this feeling justified that they called him an apostate. It would serve no purpose except to further entrench each side. LDS knows his ward. Were I him I would let certain people (bishop or elders quorum president or, if he is really sly, the relief society president) know how deeply he and his family have been hurt by these viscous public accusations against him, how devastated the kids are and that they are praying that the Lord will forgive this man.
Then let the ward rumor mill do its work.
Blixa wrote:+1
Fence Sitter wrote:Except I don't know how to spell vicious but hey viscous works too. . . sort of, the ward mission leader was laying it on pretty thick.
vis·cous/ˈviskəs/ Adjective: Having a thick, sticky consistency between solid and liquid;
Viscous works on another level too, thick, sticky stuff is hard to clean up, just like this situation. LDSToronto like others have said I'm sorry you have to go through this and empathize with your kids.
This whole thing is astounding, honestly I can't think of a time where I've seen someone held up publicly as a negative example, ever, in any setting. Hell even my parents treated me with more consideration when I was a teenager though I'm sure I didn't deserve it.
Is it really possible (No matter what color jersey you are wearing) to be that blind and not see how crystal clearly wrong this is/was? How grossly out of bounds this is/was?
Are you kidding me?
Really??????????????
Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Peace, Ceeboo
Darth J wrote:To be fair, Ceeboo, I don't think doing things like the OP relates is representative of Mormons.
Neither are the residents of the planet that Why Me lives on.
While things the OP relates may not be representative of Mormons, those things combined with Rockslider's take on the subject and things posted by those at both MAD & NOM can lead one to believe that the behavior is not uncommon. It also seems that the LDS church has more than it's fair share of Why Menians, maybe something in the LDS church makes it good cover for the residence of that planet?
cafe crema wrote: While things the OP relates may not be representative of Mormons, those things combined with Rockslider's take on the subject and things posted by those at both MAD & NOM can lead one to believe that the behavior is not uncommon. It also seems that the LDS church has more than it's fair share of Why Menians, maybe something in the LDS church makes it good cover for the residence of that planet?
And catholics are perfect. Compared with the sex abuse scandals Ldstoronto's problem sounds tame.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
I've been thinking about your OP since I first saw it this afternoon.
You and I have been in enough council meetings of various sorts to know that, unless you have a very sympathetic and understanding Bishop (and if he were so, he would have said/done something about the inappropriate remarks on the spot), you will get no satisfaction from the "leaders" in your ward.
I don't think that H. has a clue if the bishop said anything or not to the individual. He hasn't asked. Now if he follows my humble advice and contacts him to see what exactly happened in an open and friendly way, maybe human progress can be seen.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
cafe crema wrote: While things the OP relates may not be representative of Mormons, those things combined with Rockslider's take on the subject and things posted by those at both MAD & NOM can lead one to believe that the behavior is not uncommon. It also seems that the LDS church has more than it's fair share of Why Menians, maybe something in the LDS church makes it good cover for the residence of that planet?
And catholics are perfect. Compared with the sex abuse scandals Ldstoronto's problem sounds tame.
And the horror of the ongoing Catholic abuse scandal has what to do with this?
I've been thinking about your OP since I first saw it this afternoon.
You and I have been in enough council meetings of various sorts to know that, unless you have a very sympathetic and understanding Bishop (and if he were so, he would have said/done something about the inappropriate remarks on the spot), you will get no satisfaction from the "leaders" in your ward.
I don't think that H. has a clue if the bishop said anything or not to the individual. He hasn't asked. Now if he follows my humble advice and contacts him to see what exactly happened in an open and friendly way, maybe human progress can be seen.
For accuracy, you should probably have stopped at "I don't think".
NOMinal member
Maksutov: "... if you give someone else the means to always push your buttons, you're lost."
cafe crema wrote: And the horror of the ongoing Catholic abuse scandal has what to do with this?
We need to put life in perspective. One person makes a comment in sacrament when they gave a talk and all heck is now breaking loose. One person made a mistake and now with the pundits on the board, it is a major event that goes right to salt lake. It is just a little over board and needs a rational head like mine to put it all in perspective.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith