I am a star

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_Ceeboo
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Re: I am a star

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LDSToronto wrote:
Frankly, I'm a little stunned.


Me too!
I am also disgusted, shocked, and find the public casting of judgement upon you and your wife, by name, from the pulpit, to the entire congregation, to be the height of arrogance and entirely out of bounds under any circumstance.

I'm not entirely sure what I'm going to do yet


Understood.

Sorry to see that the actions of others have forced you into this very tough dilema.
Among other things (as you decide how/if/when you will respond/react) there will be many sets of eyes watching. (Some of those eyes are seated in the skulls of the people who are most precious and dear to you)

Tough- You bet!

Peace,
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Re: I am a star

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Hoops wrote:I'm sorry LDST and Jersey Girl.

I would like to say I'm never that callous, but I can't. Sometimes people are indescribably insensitive (I oughta know). All I can offer is to let your grace blot out their oafishness.


Hoops, thanks for your understanding. Certainly we've all made dumb mistakes and I've had to beg forgiveness. In this case, I can't let it slide - my kids were involved and my wife maligned. I have to point out that when MsJack's family was maligned, I stood up for her. I must do the same for my own family.

While the LDS can be some of the best people in the world, they can also say some of the stupidest things in the name of righteousness. Here are two examples I may have told before:

1. This past fall, a high councilor was giving a sacrament talk in my ward. He had said something int the past to offend two female congregants, and during his talk on forgiveness, mentioned them (not by name but enough people knew who they were) and said he had done everything he could to beg forgiveness, quoted a scripture, said he'd confessed his own faults, and now the two sisters were in sin for not forgiving him.

2. Last spring, my best friend was serving as music director. During the intermediate hymn, this giant of a man collapsed. My wife, a medical professional, literally jumped over the empty pew in front of us and was at his side within 3 seconds. She was there faster than his own wife, who was in the front pew, and faster than the bishopric, who were just rising out of their seats by the time she was there. My wife gave him medical attention, got him moved out of the chapel, gave him a full examination, and ensured he was fine. A couple of days later, she was out to dinner for a Relief Society event, with about 15-20 sisters in a restaurant, and talk turned to the event. Wanna know what was said? "Too bad Dr. R wasn't in church that day. Things would have been much better". My wife said she had the whole thing under control. "Yes, but it would have been better with Dr. R. It's good to have a doctor with the priesthood". In other words, good to have a man take control - never mind that there are other nurses in our ward. Never mind that my wife is trained in emergency care. Never mind that she's almost finished her Masters degree and will be licenses as a Nurse Practitioner this coming fall. Nope, she didn't have a penis.

It saddens me that LDS can't behave better. This time, I'm not letting it slide.

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Re: I am a star

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LDST,

What was dished out to you and your family today in Church was absolutely insensitive and over the top and (IMHO) you have every right to respond in the same manner.

My Mormon friends and family know my view of the Church and understand that I am more than willing to discuss it at any time. Since they know that my talking points will all be evidence-based, and that I can quote sources in detail, they would rather not get into discussions or arguments with me about the Church.

Therefore, my apostasy is never mentioned in gatherings, etc. anymore, because I have made it very clear over the years that if these issues are brought up, the return fire, delivered with a smile and in a measured matter of fact and slightly condescending tone, will be something that they would really rather not hear about their Church.

The "nuclear option" here would be to attend F&T meeting next month with a well prepared set of reasons why you can no longer, in good conscience, support the LDS Church and its programs. Your nuclear option "testimony" would also make clear what you think of the honesty and integrity of those who continue to do so once they know the truth.

Call out the individual who testified about your family today by name in your testimony and thank him for giving you the opportunity to tell the Ward how you really feel about the Church.

Sit at the rear of the chapel near the door so that when they unplug your mike, you can smile, thank everyone for their attention, and leave.
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Please have one of your children record a video of your tetimony with a smart phone or small video camera and post a link to the video here on MDB.
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Re: I am a star

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Of course the only fair thing to do would be to allow LDST the pulpit for equal time.

However, we all know that is not going to happen.

Unfortunately any action LDST did take, at any level up the chain, would be fruitless for solving the problem and may only aggravate his children's scarlet letter effect.

My honest advice … vent here … write a very very nasty letter … then throw it away.

I think your are just going to have to suck this one up LDST.

As long as you have children that remain active ... the pain is going to continue ... on more fronts than just this (i.e. temple marriage of children yet to come?)
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RockSlider wrote:
My honest advice … vent here … write a very very nasty letter … then throw it away.

I think your are just going to have to suck this one up LDST.

As long as you have children that remain active ... the pain is going to continue ... on more fronts than just this (i.e. temple marriage of children yet to come?)


Write the venting nasty letter, but don't throw it away. Instead, use it as a draft toward a controlled, thoughtful and forceful letter that focuses not just on personal offense, but on how such talks violate basic human decency toward all members.
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Blixa wrote:
RockSlider wrote:
My honest advice … vent here … write a very very nasty letter … then throw it away.

I think your are just going to have to suck this one up LDST.

As long as you have children that remain active ... the pain is going to continue ... on more fronts than just this (i.e. temple marriage of children yet to come?)


Write the venting nasty letter, but don't throw it away. Instead, use it as a draft toward a controlled, thoughtful and forceful letter that focuses not just on personal offense, but on how such talks violate basic human decency toward all members.



Like this idea!
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Re: I am a star

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Blixa wrote:Write the venting nasty letter, but don't throw it away. Instead, use it as a draft toward a controlled, thoughtful and forceful letter that focuses not just on personal offense, but on how such talks violate basic human decency toward all members.


He's an angry apostate; any letter will fall on deaf ears as far as any useful resulting.

What will happen is that Bishop's PEC meeting, all confidential of course … will discuss how his children need to be treated with kit gloves, and as the wards rumor mill quickly gets this out to all members, the repercussions will only fall back to his family, no one else.

Just my two cents worth

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Re: I am a star

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Oh my effing hell. That just pisses me off, bb. Tell your my wife that I said I am sorry that happened to you guys and that I think she is awesome-sauce.

I think you should give a nice testimony next Sunday...maybe focus on the evils of gossip.

The letter idea is nice, too.
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Re: I am a star

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RockSlider wrote:He's an angry apostate; any letter will fall on deaf ears as far as any useful resulting.

What will happen is that Bishop's PEC meeting, all confidential of course … will discuss how his children need to be treated with kit gloves, and as the wards rumor mill quickly gets this out to all members, the repercussions will only fall back to his family, no one else.

Just my two cents worth

by the way: welcome to cultural Mormonism


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