If asking God for wisdom and recieving personal revelation is so dependable, I wonder why Nehor, SometimesSaint, Droopy and BCSpace can't get on the same page about actually impactful matters such as those connected with public policy and political party/ideology?
Don't all three of them vote only prayerfully?
A house of order or not?
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A house of order or not?
when believers want to give their claims more weight, they dress these claims up in scientific terms. When believers want to belittle atheism or secular humanism, they call it a "religion". -Beastie
yesterday's Mormon doctrine is today's Mormon folklore.-Buffalo
yesterday's Mormon doctrine is today's Mormon folklore.-Buffalo
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Re: A house of order or not?
It's part of the incoherency of the doctrine of personal revelation in the first place.
Remember how Rodney Meldrum bore his testimony of how God revealed to him that he was correct about the location of the Book of Mormon stuff, and the FARMS folks crucified him for asserting revelation for the church, which he was not entitled to do? According to them, he has no stewardship over people he was telling of his personal revelation, and therefore his revelation doesn't count for them or something.
Well that's just incoherent babble. Either Meldrum received his revelation or he didn't. If he received it, and now knows that the particular belief is in fact true, then how is that not true for everyone? If the Holy Ghost really did tell Meldrum that the Book of Mormon events transpired in New York, then they transpired there, and it doesn't matter who else considers the question, the answer will be the same.
The only thing I can make of their objection is that they know that personal revelation is not reliable at all, and that they cannot, therefor, have themselves shackled to the thoughts and impressions of every single other member of the church, and whatever whacky stuff they may come up with.
Remember how Rodney Meldrum bore his testimony of how God revealed to him that he was correct about the location of the Book of Mormon stuff, and the FARMS folks crucified him for asserting revelation for the church, which he was not entitled to do? According to them, he has no stewardship over people he was telling of his personal revelation, and therefore his revelation doesn't count for them or something.
Well that's just incoherent babble. Either Meldrum received his revelation or he didn't. If he received it, and now knows that the particular belief is in fact true, then how is that not true for everyone? If the Holy Ghost really did tell Meldrum that the Book of Mormon events transpired in New York, then they transpired there, and it doesn't matter who else considers the question, the answer will be the same.
The only thing I can make of their objection is that they know that personal revelation is not reliable at all, and that they cannot, therefor, have themselves shackled to the thoughts and impressions of every single other member of the church, and whatever whacky stuff they may come up with.
Mormonism ceased being a compelling topic for me when I finally came to terms with its transformation from a personality cult into a combination of a real estate company, a SuperPac, and Westboro Baptist Church. - Kishkumen
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Re: A house of order or not?
Getting under the skin and irritating the "real" LDS faithful. This is going to get interesting.
Huckelberry said:
I see the order and harmony to be the very image of God which smiles upon us each morning as we awake.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/a ... cc_toc.htm
I see the order and harmony to be the very image of God which smiles upon us each morning as we awake.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/a ... cc_toc.htm
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Re: A house of order or not?
Well, apparently their god is a schizoid, so it is plausible He can provide different answers to different solicitors around the same questions.
Waitaminute... I'm getting personal revelation right now...
It's quantum god mechanics!
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Waitaminute... I'm getting personal revelation right now...
It's quantum god mechanics!
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In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Re: A house of order or not?
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Well, apparently their god is a schizoid, so it is plausible He can provide different answers to different solicitors around the same questions.
Waitaminute... I'm getting personal revelation right now...
It's quantum god mechanics!
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LOL
Right. God's position on many important issues, esp. political questions, is as indeterminate as the position of an electron and just as dependent on the observer.
when believers want to give their claims more weight, they dress these claims up in scientific terms. When believers want to belittle atheism or secular humanism, they call it a "religion". -Beastie
yesterday's Mormon doctrine is today's Mormon folklore.-Buffalo
yesterday's Mormon doctrine is today's Mormon folklore.-Buffalo
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Re: A house of order or not?
Exactly...
Just like it has been proffered on other threads... the reason that FLDS members, when seeking personal revelation via Moroni's Promise, through prayer and fasting, to know which is the one true prophet on Earth, God answers them "Warren Jeffs"; and God is correct, you see, 'cuz if they accept the tenets of the FLDS church, they are more likely to eventually find the real true church and accept the real true prophet, Thomas S. Monson.
I, personally, during my time as a member, didn't directly witness the flood of incoming former FLDS members, but I'm sure it must be happening somewhere, in some wards... right?
Mysterious ways, and all that, dontcha know.
Just like it has been proffered on other threads... the reason that FLDS members, when seeking personal revelation via Moroni's Promise, through prayer and fasting, to know which is the one true prophet on Earth, God answers them "Warren Jeffs"; and God is correct, you see, 'cuz if they accept the tenets of the FLDS church, they are more likely to eventually find the real true church and accept the real true prophet, Thomas S. Monson.
I, personally, during my time as a member, didn't directly witness the flood of incoming former FLDS members, but I'm sure it must be happening somewhere, in some wards... right?
Mysterious ways, and all that, dontcha know.
eschew obfuscation
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"I'll let you believers in on a little secret: not only is the LDS church not really true, it's obviously not true." -Sethbag
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Re: A house of order or not?
Sethbag wrote:Either Meldrum received his revelation or he didn't. If he received it, and now knows that the particular belief is in fact true, then how is that not true for everyone? If the Holy Ghost really did tell Meldrum that the Book of Mormon events transpired in New York, then they transpired there, and it doesn't matter who else considers the question, the answer will be the same.
That's the great thing about Mormon truth; it's subjective and ever changing. It defies logic and rationale. Mormonism--it's a state of mind!
Get it?