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[_krose]

Not his job, not his task, not his concern. He was born in 1947. He would have turned 30 the year before the 1978 pronouncement. Why would anyone assume his thoughts would have had any bearing on anything... his dad, church policy or national policy at the time? No one cared what he thought, anymore than they cared what you or I thought. He was a nobody then, raising his family and working at his career.

Not his concern? Seriously? Bull. It was a concern for all of us who lived through that time period, or at least should have been.

But I see what you're saying. We have a man who wants to be president. He belongs to an institution that openly discriminated against black American citizens and cited scriptural justification for it. Said discrimination wasn't reversed until he was well into his adult years. But we should just assume that he had no opinion, either in support of the practice or otherwise. Or we should assume it really doesn't matter whether he supported the discrimination.

People sure seemed to make a big issue of what previous candidates were thinking and doing at that age, whether it was John Kerry's Vietnam record, George Bush's National Guard record, the war records of JFK and Bush Sr., and even Obama's acquaintances.

Apparently, questioning any of them was either inappropriate or unimportant.

And I doubt calling him Willard would embarrass him.

Why would it? It's his name.

[_ldsfaqs]

Note folks how I've clearly and completely debunked Kevin's charge in this thread, and yet he completely ignores it, and pretends the victim still, falsely charging that his wife was unfairly attacked.

I've twice presented the actual truth, and yet he ignores it.

This proves the Anti-perverted mind for you, they aren't interested in the truth, but only in destroying their target of hate.

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[_Equality]

This proves the Anti-perverted mind for you, they aren't interested in the truth, but only in destroying their target of hate.

So, what, you are for perverted minds? Count me among those who are against perverted minds.

[_hatersinmyward]

What she has to say...

http://www.connect2utah.com/news/featur ... _336.shtml

[_Jason Bourne]

Hold Obama to the same standard for his radical religion and associations with other radicals and your position will then at least be constant.

Jason, could you explain what you mean by this? Could you please outline the specific radical teachings, beliefs and doctrines found in Obama's radical religion?

No I really don't want to take the time. I think you are likely well aware of the issue that were brought up particularly by those on the right, regarding Obama's 20 year run attending the Reverend Wright's church. Certainly the radical black liberation teachings were not news to Presidential candidate Obama but he did quickly denounce them. I am skeptical he had never heard such things before that as he claimed. There is also his association with Bill Aires and such. You can do some leg work on your own if you want to. Really I was not overly concerned about these things in 2008 and feel the right made mountains out of molehills sort of like I think the left is trying to out of Romney's religion.

Though I don't have a problem with your approach. Nothing wrong with asking how he felt about certian things like the priesthood ban that could be viewed in a more political contest. I know how I could answer. I was 19 at the time. I was thrilled with the reversal and always thought it was nonsense and wrong though it was hard to be vocal about such thing as an young person in the Church he was brought up in that was very conservative speaking loudly about such things.

[_Kevin Graham]

Note folks how I've clearly and completely debunked Kevin's charge in this thread, and yet he completely ignores it, and pretends the victim still, falsely charging that his wife was unfairly attacked

Hey idiot, Loyd already admitted he was wrong, so the fact that you're still trying to salvage his original comments as some kind of valid refutation of what I asked, is pretty damn hilarious.

Maybe one day after you've reach puberty, you'll understand what an argument really is.

[_Kevin Graham]

Certainly the radical black liberation teachings were not news to Presidential candidate Obama but he did quickly denounce them. I am skeptical he had never heard such things before that as he claimed.

Jason, you're not being specific here. What precisely was it that Obama said he never heard? From what I remember, it was Wright's rant about 9/11. That is something very specific in reference to a specific event and could not have been something he had heard for "20 years" of attendance. Obama didn't denounce every single thing that he taught over the course of 20 years that some have defined as "radical."

I recall only the post 9/11 rants about how governments lie. He raised issues like the Tuskegee experiment, which is factual. He also brought up the fact that the government lied about WMDs in Iraq, which is also factual. Of course he feels like the US government has mistreated minorities, especially the Indians, and this is also factual. The way he stomps around the room and says these things with so much emotion is typical of black Churches in America, but did he really say anything that we know to be absolutely false? Isn't he allowed to have an opinion? He doesn't claim to be a Prophet who is getting this stuff straight from God or anything, and Obama and everyone listening is free to disagree if they choose. It isn't like in Mormonism where disagreement with a Prophet's sermon could lead to disfellowshiping.

My point here is that you're not really telling us specifics, and it seems like you're exaggerating a bit. Obama didn't denounce "20 years" of teachings. Twenty years is a very long time, and yet the only recorded sermons that the media has issue with can be counted on one hand and they all post date 9/11.

[_krose]

Jason, could you explain what you mean by this? Could you please outline the specific radical teachings, beliefs and doctrines found in Obama's radical religion?

No I really don't want to take the time. I think you are likely well aware of the issue that were brought up particularly by those on the right, regarding Obama's 20 year run attending the Reverend Wright's church. Certainly the radical black liberation teachings were not news to Presidential candidate Obama but he did quickly denounce them. I am skeptical he had never heard such things before that as he claimed. There is also his association with Bill Aires and such. You can do some leg work on your own if you want to.

I understand your reluctance to spend the energy and time it would take to back up your comment, but I am skeptical that there is any substance to this talk of, as you put it, "radical black liberation teachings" going on in Obama's church. Personally, I'm not going to take someone like Beck or Hannity's word for something like that. Without any specifics, I'm going to assume that you are just repeating what they say, trusting that there is something of substance there. As Kevin said, all I recall is his "God damn America" quote, and the outraged response to it.

Certainly there was nothing to Palin's "palling around with terrorists" nonsense. The Ayers charges amounted to much ado about nothing. Nothing more than pure political opportunism, that is.

Really I was not overly concerned about these things in 2008 and feel the right made mountains out of molehills sort of like I think the left is trying to out of Romney's religion.

Who on the left is trying to make something out of Romney's religion? I haven't seen it. Sure, Bill Maher criticizes Mormonism, but he disses all religions, starting long before Romney came on the scene. I would say Romney's religion is much more of an issue for the religious right.

[_krose]

By the way, Romney's religion has nothing to do with why I oppose him. There was a lot that I liked about the man who was governor of Massachusetts. I don't know what happened to him. Where did he go, and who is this guy running around using his face and name?

I do think it's odd that he gets a pass on the racial and political issues surrounding the church, though.