What I was told (and YES...I was told this...many times as a young convert):
"Brother Evenson, Mormon women are always pure, always honest, and would NEVER even think about doing anything immoral. God forbid! They would never even THINK about dating a man who is not morally worthy! If Mormon women don't want to date you, it is because YOU are not worthy, and they know it, they have the Spirit of Discernment, because they are daughters of God. Men can commit sin and be unworthy, but Mormon women are NEVER unworthy. It's against their nature to be unworthy! They care nothing about the things of this World, they want only to find a worthy man who honors his priesthood. That's all they want. Remember, they will reject you only if you are morally unworthy, and they never lie. They are honest in all things."
What I wish I was told:
"Brother Evenson, Mormon women are the SAME as women everywhere. They will date and marry the guy with the most bucks, the one who can buy them the biggest house and the biggest car. The more beautiful a Mormon woman is, the more luxuries she will expect, and she WILL expect them. Don't be surprised if you find Mormon women marrying a rich Gentile man instead of you, because her instinct is to find a male who can build for her the largest nest possible. I don't care if the guy smokes and drinks and curses God with ever drunken nicotine-smelling breath. If he's rich, Mormon women will fall in love with him and wish to mate with him. Woman are like that, like female birds. They're gonna mate with the guy with the best nest. And remember something, Mormon WOMEN "LIE" to men they don't respect. All the time. So, if you are poor, don't be surprised if they lie to you, and laugh while they do it, because that is their nature. They are only truthful to the men they respect. If they don't respect you, they're going to lie to you. And some are going to try to FOOL you, to pretend to like you romantically, but then PULL THE RUG from under you. That is a game some of them play with men they don't respect, whom they consider their "inferiors". And, believe me, if you are poor, they'll consider you an "inferior" whom they can rightfully lie to an "pull the rug" on, and laugh while they do it. Just a warning. It is probably BEST that you seek to get a good education, a good job, an expensive car, at least these things, and the Mormon women will treat you very well, and some will want to marry you. Otherwise, they're not going to respect you, and they'll treat you accordingly."
What I was told, and what I WISH I were told by Bishops
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Re: What I was told, and what I WISH I were told by Bishops
From reading your post it was difficult for me to decide which group you hold in lower esteem; Mormon women or Mormon Bishops.
Actually, my experience with Mormon women, and women in general, is a lot different than you describe. I have met some who seem to find fulfillment in trying to rescue damaged men, some who prefer a good looking and friendly blue collar worker to a wealthy but aloof executive, and some who prefer, well, other women.
The theme of your OP seems to be a resonant one with you and I am not sure that staying in this mode and mindset is doing you a lot of good.
Maybe women don't relate to you in the way you would like because they sense that you stand ready to think the worst about them.
Just a thought.
Actually, my experience with Mormon women, and women in general, is a lot different than you describe. I have met some who seem to find fulfillment in trying to rescue damaged men, some who prefer a good looking and friendly blue collar worker to a wealthy but aloof executive, and some who prefer, well, other women.
The theme of your OP seems to be a resonant one with you and I am not sure that staying in this mode and mindset is doing you a lot of good.
Maybe women don't relate to you in the way you would like because they sense that you stand ready to think the worst about them.
Just a thought.
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Re: What I was told, and what I WISH I were told by Bishops
My experience with Mormon women and women in general is 180 degrees DIFFERENT from yours, because I am an Omega male, and you're an Alpha or at least a Beta. Women treat "men" differently.
Women who "rescue" men are doing so for Alpha Males only. Women don't rescue Omegas who are down and out. For Alphas they'll do anything. Ask any stripper, and chances are her boyfriend is a drug addict, cheats on her, beats her on occassion, and she supports him financially, and even finds other girls to bring home for him. NOT because the women are so pure-in-heart, but because Nature tells them to care for Alpha Males. Why? Long explanation! Basically, goes like this....
*Nature favors survival.
*Alpha males are best at survival
*Nature wants females to MATE with Alpha males so it has provided Alpha males with a Pheromone that makes females LOVE them and want to MATE with them.
*Omega males are worst at survival, so Nature provides for them a pheromone that REPULSES females.
*Certain companies KNOW these things, and have tried to synthetically produce Alpha Male pheromones, and market these products as AXE sprays and deordorant and ALPHA MALE sprays and deordorant, in commercials that say that women will get sexually excited by the scent of Alpha male pheromones (and they DO!!!!!!!!!!)
In other words....NATURE is Intelligent! Not "God", but Intelligent. This is why mother pigs will ROLL and kill their young who are deformed, because Nature does not want deformed pigs around, or deformed dogs. This is why female dogs will EAT their deformed puppies! That is the WAY of Nature, and Nature is intelligent.
Nature is the "Devil" or "Satan". Intelligent, but A-moral.
Nature favors the strong over the week. The Nazis knew this, and they incorporated it into their philosophy and politics: the Strong have a "Natural right" to rule over the weak, even kill the weak. The Nazis killed the genetically defective, because they saw this in Nature: with momma pigs rolling on their defective young, or female dogs eating their deformed puppies! The Nazis took "Nature" and called that "God". Affluent Mormons are beginning to do the same thing.
So, if Mormon women, and women in general, have treated you WELL, it is because you have Alpha male pheromones, or, you are a Beta Male and they respected you because you have a nice face, nice car, nice clothing, nice house or good job. Simple as that. Had you been an Omega male, and especially a poor one, they would have treated you like crap!!
That's about it.
I think my distain for Mormon women and Mormon bishops are about equal. Mormon bishops are, for the most part, self-righteous ignorant fools. Mormon women...again, if they RESPECT you, they treat you well, but if they have no respect for you, they treat you horribly. I had no respect because I was POOR, that's all. I always treated them with UTTER respect and honesty. Always. Again, they could CARE LESS! Me treating them with respect was, in their eyes, expected like a Queen expects respect from a slave or beggar. Basically, I showed them great respect, and in return, I was usually lied to and DISrespected. Why? I had two things against me: I was an Omega male, so my very "scent" repulsed them, and I was poor--which insulted them. Do I have "respect" for Mormon women NOW? Hell no!
Women who "rescue" men are doing so for Alpha Males only. Women don't rescue Omegas who are down and out. For Alphas they'll do anything. Ask any stripper, and chances are her boyfriend is a drug addict, cheats on her, beats her on occassion, and she supports him financially, and even finds other girls to bring home for him. NOT because the women are so pure-in-heart, but because Nature tells them to care for Alpha Males. Why? Long explanation! Basically, goes like this....
*Nature favors survival.
*Alpha males are best at survival
*Nature wants females to MATE with Alpha males so it has provided Alpha males with a Pheromone that makes females LOVE them and want to MATE with them.
*Omega males are worst at survival, so Nature provides for them a pheromone that REPULSES females.
*Certain companies KNOW these things, and have tried to synthetically produce Alpha Male pheromones, and market these products as AXE sprays and deordorant and ALPHA MALE sprays and deordorant, in commercials that say that women will get sexually excited by the scent of Alpha male pheromones (and they DO!!!!!!!!!!)
In other words....NATURE is Intelligent! Not "God", but Intelligent. This is why mother pigs will ROLL and kill their young who are deformed, because Nature does not want deformed pigs around, or deformed dogs. This is why female dogs will EAT their deformed puppies! That is the WAY of Nature, and Nature is intelligent.
Nature is the "Devil" or "Satan". Intelligent, but A-moral.
Nature favors the strong over the week. The Nazis knew this, and they incorporated it into their philosophy and politics: the Strong have a "Natural right" to rule over the weak, even kill the weak. The Nazis killed the genetically defective, because they saw this in Nature: with momma pigs rolling on their defective young, or female dogs eating their deformed puppies! The Nazis took "Nature" and called that "God". Affluent Mormons are beginning to do the same thing.
So, if Mormon women, and women in general, have treated you WELL, it is because you have Alpha male pheromones, or, you are a Beta Male and they respected you because you have a nice face, nice car, nice clothing, nice house or good job. Simple as that. Had you been an Omega male, and especially a poor one, they would have treated you like crap!!
That's about it.
I think my distain for Mormon women and Mormon bishops are about equal. Mormon bishops are, for the most part, self-righteous ignorant fools. Mormon women...again, if they RESPECT you, they treat you well, but if they have no respect for you, they treat you horribly. I had no respect because I was POOR, that's all. I always treated them with UTTER respect and honesty. Always. Again, they could CARE LESS! Me treating them with respect was, in their eyes, expected like a Queen expects respect from a slave or beggar. Basically, I showed them great respect, and in return, I was usually lied to and DISrespected. Why? I had two things against me: I was an Omega male, so my very "scent" repulsed them, and I was poor--which insulted them. Do I have "respect" for Mormon women NOW? Hell no!
DrW wrote:From reading your post it was difficult for me to decide which group you hold in lower esteem; Mormon women or Mormon Bishops.
Actually, my experience with Mormon women, and women in general, is a lot different than you describe. I have met some who seem to find fulfillment in trying to rescue damaged men, some who prefer a good looking and friendly blue collar worker to a wealthy but aloof executive, and some who prefer, well, other women.
The theme of your OP seems to be a resonant one with you and I am not sure that staying in this mode and mindset is doing you a lot of good.
Maybe women don't relate to you in the way you would like because they sense that you stand ready to think the worst about them.
Just a thought.
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Re: What I was told, and what I WISH I were told by Bishops
Daheshist wrote:My experience with Mormon women and women in general is 180 degrees DIFFERENT from yours, because I am an Omega male, and you're an Alpha or at least a Beta. Women treat "men" differently.
I can pretty much guarantee you that if you were to meet me in person, "Alpha male" would not be the first two words to come into your mind.
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How Darrick should have been counseled:
Women are not infallible; they are human beings, just like you are. What women want from a relationship is to be respected, loved, and considered a number one priority in that relationship. If a man does this, the woman will also consider HIM a number one priority. A woman wants someone who can laugh with her, cry with her, share secrets with her, and be a best friend, as well as a lover.
If you want a successful relationship with a woman, become educated in a variety of things, and strike up friendships with women who share your common interests.
A woman who is worth a solid relationship normally doesn't care if you are poor, but if you are planning on children, she will want to secure common goals with you to make sure that those children are cared for. This can be secured by both of you working, saving, etc.
The bottom line is...in order to have a successful relationship, you need to BE the type of person you want to attract. If you want a woman in your life who is athletic, then YOU be athletic! Join a gym! If you want a woman who is interested in music, study an instrument or take a music appreciation class.
In order to develop a mature relationship with a woman, you first must believe in yourself and be self-confident. Don't expect the woman to give you that. She can't...anymore than you can give self confidence to her. It has to come from within.
Women are not infallible; they are human beings, just like you are. What women want from a relationship is to be respected, loved, and considered a number one priority in that relationship. If a man does this, the woman will also consider HIM a number one priority. A woman wants someone who can laugh with her, cry with her, share secrets with her, and be a best friend, as well as a lover.
If you want a successful relationship with a woman, become educated in a variety of things, and strike up friendships with women who share your common interests.
A woman who is worth a solid relationship normally doesn't care if you are poor, but if you are planning on children, she will want to secure common goals with you to make sure that those children are cared for. This can be secured by both of you working, saving, etc.
The bottom line is...in order to have a successful relationship, you need to BE the type of person you want to attract. If you want a woman in your life who is athletic, then YOU be athletic! Join a gym! If you want a woman who is interested in music, study an instrument or take a music appreciation class.
In order to develop a mature relationship with a woman, you first must believe in yourself and be self-confident. Don't expect the woman to give you that. She can't...anymore than you can give self confidence to her. It has to come from within.
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Re: What I was told, and what I WISH I were told by Bishops
In "general" I have no respect for Mormon women. A "few" are honest and moral, and I respect them, even when they reject me, because they did so respectfully and honestly, but these are few and far-between.
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Darrick--
Do you still want a relationship?
Do you still want a relationship?
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Re: What I was told, and what I WISH I were told by Bishops
DrW wrote:From reading your post it was difficult for me to decide which group you hold in lower esteem; Mormon women or Mormon Bishops.
Actually, my experience with Mormon women, and women in general, is a lot different than you describe. I have met some who seem to find fulfillment in trying to rescue damaged men, some who prefer a good looking and friendly blue collar worker to a wealthy but aloof executive, and some who prefer, well, other women.
The theme of your OP seems to be a resonant one with you and I am not sure that staying in this mode and mindset is doing you a lot of good.
Maybe women don't relate to you in the way you would like because they sense that you stand ready to think the worst about them.
Just a thought.
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Re: What I was told, and what I WISH I were told by Bishops
Well regardless of what my bishop said, real life taught me the truth all too quickly.
If I were agnostic, I'd choose the single life. Marriage is a martyrdom. I suffer it because it's what I believe is right, not because I like it. Being single in the Church is its own form of suffering. I firmly believe that attending singles wards would help motivate people to stay married.
If I were agnostic, I'd choose the single life. Marriage is a martyrdom. I suffer it because it's what I believe is right, not because I like it. Being single in the Church is its own form of suffering. I firmly believe that attending singles wards would help motivate people to stay married.
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ajax18 wrote:Well regardless of what my bishop said, real life taught me the truth all too quickly.
If I were agnostic, I'd choose the single life. Marriage is a martyrdom. I suffer it because it's what I believe is right, not because I like it.
I'm sure that your spouse is thrilled with that attitude.