Thanks, LDS church! Californians now support gay marriage

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Thanks, LDS church! Californians now support gay marriage

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Would this overwhelming support in California for gay marriage have happened without the church's meddling and bringing the issue to the forefront of people's minds? I don't think so. Thanks to the Mormon church, a wave of pro-gay marriage sentiment is sweeping the nation! Thanks Tommy!

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/02/29/429916 ... takes.html

Support for gay marriage takes dramatic leap in California, new poll shows
By Dan Smith and Torey Van Oot
The Sacramento Bee
Published: Wednesday, Feb. 29, 2012 - 12:00 am | Page 1A

A new poll shows gay marriage has arrived in California – in public opinion if not in state lawbooks.

Golden State registered voters now favor same-sex unions by 59 percent to 34 percent, a 25-point gap that is the largest margin of support for the issue in the three-plus decades the Field Poll has been asking the question.

The new Field survey shows support has leapt markedly in the three and a half years since California voters approved Proposition 8, which banned gay marriage, 52.3 percent to 47.7 percent.

The poll showed increases in support virtually across the board – among voters under 64, non-white voters, Catholics, Republicans and nonpartisans.

Poll Director Mark DiCamillo said the move to a 25-point gap goes beyond the gradual increase in support that has been expected as young voters age and "replace" older voters in the electorate.

"This is now showing that opinions are changing irrespective of generational replacement," DiCamillo said. "This is real change."

As more states approve same-sex marriage – Washington and Maryland this month became the seventh and eighth states where legislatures have given their OK – the legal battle in California continues.

Proposition 8's marriage ban was overturned by a federal judge in San Francisco, and his ruling was upheld by a panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals earlier this month. But the appeals court is weighing a request from gay marriage opponents for a larger panel of judges to review the decision, and ultimately, the matter could be headed for the U.S. Supreme Court, with a decision years away.

DiCamillo said voters still hold the judiciary in relatively high regard, and years of gay marriage court battles in California are likely contributing to the opinion shift.

"The winds of change are blowing in other states (and) when judges start ruling the same way, I believe that has an influence," he said.

Citrus Heights college student Matthew Boyd, who is in favor of same-sex marriage, said he believes the growth in support stems from increased exposure to gay relationships and the public spotlight on the issue.

"I think as the years have gone on, people are getting more used to the idea," the 24-year-old Democrat said. "There's more and more openly gay people every day, public figures, people's friends. You can see that they love each other and it's not something the government should be able to say, to tell them what to do."

In 2008, the poll showed 51 percent of voters in favor of gay marriage with 42 percent opposed – a nine-point gap – but Proposition 8 still passed later that year after supporters' television ads raised concerns that children would be taught about gay marriage in public schools. The 25-point gap in the current poll, DiCamillo said, would be "a tall order" for gay marriage opponents to overcome should it be put to a vote again.

Still, gay marriage advocates have suspended efforts to put the matter before voters this year.

Eric Harrison, the interim executive director of Love Honor Cherish, said the group – dedicated to overturning Proposition 8 – suspended its campaign to qualify for the November ballot earlier this month because it could not raise the more than $1.5 million needed to collect enough voter signatures. He blamed uncertainty surrounding the 9th Circuit ruling and fractures within the gay community, not poor polling, for the lack of contributions.

"Our position was always that yes, if this was to go back to the ballot in 2012, we would win marriage equality," he said. "It's not a question of that."

Love Honor Cherish and other gay rights advocacy groups have focused since 2008 on building support in religious and minority communities that exit polling showed backed Proposition 8.

Sacramento Republican La Toya Harris, who opposes same-sex marriage and homosexuality for religious reasons, said building support among black, Christian voters such as herself will be a tough sell, particularly when it comes to voters with ties to the Pentecostal faith.

"We believe that when things like that happen, the wrath of God is going to come from somewhere," she said.

Louis "Thumper" Rodriguez also cited religion in his opposition of same-sex marriage. While he is OK with civil unions and spousal rights for same-sex couples, he called the marriage push a "direct attack on my moral values and beliefs and religious beliefs."

"Honestly, what offends me is a group of minorities are trying to impose their non-religious views upon religious groups," the 35-year-old Madera Republican said. "As a voting Christian, I find it offensive that they would attack the religious act of marriage."

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then what needs to happen is the voters of California put it vote to repeal prop 8; that would be an interesting campaign.
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I guess the church will be supporting gay marriage in California now, since the church said the majority of the people of California should decide the issue:
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-issues-statement-appeals-court-prop-8-ruling
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints regrets today’s decision. California voters have twice determined in a general election that marriage should be recognized as only between a man and a woman. We have always had that view. Courts should not alter that definition, especially when the people of California have spoken so clearly on the subject.

Millions of voters in California sent a message that traditional marriage is crucial to society. They expressed their desire, through the democratic process, to keep traditional marriage as the bedrock of society, as it has been for generations.

We recognize that this decision represents a continuation of what has been a vigorous public debate over the rights of the people to define and protect the fundamental institution of marriage. There is no doubt that today’s ruling will intensify the debate in this country. We urge people on all sides of this issue to act in a spirit of mutual respect and civility toward those with a different opinion.
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Equality wrote:I guess the church will be supporting gay marriage in California now, since the church said the majority of the people of California should decide the issue:
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-issues-statement-appeals-court-prop-8-ruling
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints regrets today’s decision. California voters have twice determined in a general election that marriage should be recognized as only between a man and a woman. We have always had that view. Courts should not alter that definition, especially when the people of California have spoken so clearly on the subject.

Millions of voters in California sent a message that traditional marriage is crucial to society. They expressed their desire, through the democratic process, to keep traditional marriage as the bedrock of society, as it has been for generations.

We recognize that this decision represents a continuation of what has been a vigorous public debate over the rights of the people to define and protect the fundamental institution of marriage. There is no doubt that today’s ruling will intensify the debate in this country. We urge people on all sides of this issue to act in a spirit of mutual respect and civility toward those with a different opinion.


I think you'll find their position has suddenly changed on this matter, and that such important decisions regarding "traditional marriage" now cannot be left to the whims of voters.
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Has Monson got anything right since taking the big job?
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I guess the church will be supporting gay marriage in California now, since the church said the majority of the people of California should decide the issue:


There haven't been any actual popular votes to this effect, and no, the Church would not support any majority in favor of gay marriage.
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bcspace wrote:
I guess the church will be supporting gay marriage in California now, since the church said the majority of the people of California should decide the issue:


There haven't been any actual popular votes to this effect, and no, the Church would not support any majority in favor of gay marriage.


Bcspace, you forgot to include 'yet' at the end of your sentence.
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bcspace wrote:
I guess the church will be supporting gay marriage in California now, since the church said the majority of the people of California should decide the issue:


There haven't been any actual popular votes to this effect, and no, the Church would not support any majority in favor of gay marriage.


Which shows the church's duplicity in its official statement: majority rule is good as long as the majority votes the church's way. When it doesn't, it shouldn't be respected. Thanks for being more honest than your church on this issue, bcspace. I respect that.
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Interesting to see which groups have experienced the biggest increases in support for gay marriage. Nearly half of Protestants now support it, an 11% rise in just two years. (I wonder if many of these people will end up defecting from Protestantism because of this issue.) Half of blacks/Asians now support it, a 9% increase over two years ago. (I remember the news agencies making a big deal about the hypocrisy of blacks opposing marriage rights for gays; it appears they're starting to come around.) Middle-aged people saw a 14% increase in support. (Perhaps the influence of all that prime-time television.) The times, they are a-changin'.
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It's too bad the poll didn't delve into more specifics in the "other religion" portion.

It would be interesting to see if there's been any change on views of Latter-day Saints in California.

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