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What is God telling the prophets?

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:55 am
by _just me
So, God has decided that it's none of our beeswax why he set in place a racially discriminatory practice that lasted over 150 years.

What is more important than that? What is he telling the prophets? And, does he have a quota or something where he can only tell the prophets so many things before he puts them on ignore?

Re: What is God telling the prophets?

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:57 am
by _maklelan
just me wrote:So, God has decided that it's none of our beeswax why he set in place a racially discriminatory practice that lasted over 150 years.

What is more important than that?


Feeding the hungry, administering to the sick, proclaiming the gospel, redeeming the dead, perfecting the saints, and some other stuff. On the other hand, I don't think there's any indication that the policy was installed by God, and I thus see little chance that he's going to own up to it.

just me wrote:What is he telling the prophets?


See above.

just me wrote:And, does he have a quota or something where he can only tell the prophets so many things before he puts them on ignore?


Don't know.

Re: What is God telling the prophets?

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:03 am
by _Morley
maklelan wrote:.... On the other hand, I don't think there's any indication that the policy was installed by God, and I thus see little chance that he's going to own up to it.
....


The 1949 LDS First Presidency statement:


"The attitude of the Church with reference to Negroes remains as it has always stood. It is not a matter of the declaration of a policy but of direct commandment from the Lord, on which is founded the doctrine of the Church from the days of its organization, to the effect that Negroes may become members of the Church but that they are not entitled to the priesthood at the present time. The prophets of the Lord have made several statements as to the operation of the principle. President Brigham Young said: "Why are so many of the inhabitants of the earth cursed with a skin of blackness? It comes in consequence of their fathers rejecting the power of the holy priesthood, and the law of God. They will go down to death. And when all the rest of the children have received their blessings in the holy priesthood, then that curse will be removed from the seed of Cain, and they will then come up and possess the priesthood, and receive all the blessings which we now are entitled to."

President Wilford Woodruff made the following statement: "The day will come when all that race will be redeemed and possess all the blessings which we now have."

The position of the Church regarding the Negro may be understood when another doctrine of the Church is kept in mind, namely, that the conduct of spirits in the pre-mortal existence has some determining effect upon the conditions and circumstances under which these spirits take on mortality and that while the details of this principle have not been made known, the mortality is a privilege that is given to those who maintain their first estate; and that the worth of the privilege is so great that spirits are willing to come to earth and take on bodies no matter what the handicap may be as to the kind of bodies they are to secure; and that among the handicaps, failure of the right to enjoy in mortality the blessings of the priesthood is a handicap which spirits are willing to assume in order that they might come to earth. Under this principle there is no injustice whatsoever involved in this deprivation as to the holding of the priesthood by the Negroes."

The First Presidency

Re: What is God telling the prophets?

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:11 am
by _zeezrom
It is not a matter of the declaration of a policy but of direct commandment from the Lord...


It is not just restating some scripture. It is direct commandment from God. Meaning what, exactly? God spoke to the prophet using audible sounds? God produced a feeling in the prophet's nervous system? God moved the prophet's had as he held a wooden tablet on a board containing letters, and spelled the words, "No Black priesthood holders"? Or what?

Re: What is God telling the prophets?

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:13 am
by _maklelan
Morley wrote:
maklelan wrote:.... On the other hand, I don't think there's any indication that the policy was installed by God, and I thus see little chance that he's going to own up to it.
....


The 1949 LDS First Presidency statement:


The First Presidency statement hardly constitutes in my opinion an indication that God is actually behind it. It's just an assertion, and it has no basis in any text or statement available to us today or to them back then.

Re: What is God telling the prophets?

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:15 am
by _SteelHead
Reading the history of the ban, it took god 30 years to tell the 15 the same thing at the same time.... Some of those guys must be spiritually hard of hearing, or can't discern between the spirit and their own bias.

Re: What is God telling the prophets?

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:16 am
by _Morley
maklelan wrote:
The First Presidency statement hardly constitutes in my opinion an indication that God is actually behind it. It's just an assertion, and it has no basis in any text or statement available to us today or to them back then.


So, the statement is a lie?

Re: What is God telling the prophets?

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:18 am
by _maklelan
Morley wrote:So, the statement is a lie?


As far as we can tell, it's false, but that doesn't mean they didn't believe it.

Re: What is God telling the prophets?

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:18 am
by _SteelHead

"The attitude of the Church with reference to Negroes remains as it has always stood. It is not a matter of the declaration of a policy but of direct commandment from the Lord, on which is founded the doctrine of the Church from the days of its organization



Are we reading the same letter? Is "It is not a matter of the declaration of a policy but of direct commandment from the Lord" not an indication of a revelation from god?

--EDIT--
Looks like we posted at the same time.

But, I like your answer.

Re: What is God telling the prophets?

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:20 am
by _just me
maklelan wrote:
just me wrote:So, God has decided that it's none of our beeswax why he set in place a racially discriminatory practice that lasted over 150 years.

What is more important than that?


Feeding the hungry, administering to the sick, proclaiming the gospel, redeeming the dead, perfecting the saints, and some other stuff. On the other hand, I don't think there's any indication that the policy was installed by God, and I thus see little chance that he's going to own up to it.



What are the current new revelations received this year about these important topics?
I'm asking about information being received.