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Stephen King on the Existence of God

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:05 pm
by _consiglieri
In rereading The Dead Zone last night, I stumbled upon two statements by author Stephen King relating to the existence of God, within ten pages of each other, but taking polar opposite positions.

The first is a thought from the protagonist, John Smith, who has just woken up from a four-and-a-half year coma after being in a head-on car wreck with two guys dragging down the road in the opposite direction. When he wakes up, he finds that his mother has become a raving religious fanatic. She has never given up hope on his recover, has been praying to God every day for him, and now wants to share with her son the plan God has for him.

He thinks, reflecting on the accident that caused all this:

Nothing but a quirk of fate, that's all. Five minutes earlier or later on that road could have changed everything. Now look at us, all of us screwed over royally. And she believes it's God's plan. It's either that or go completely crazy, I suppose.


Nine pages later, John Smith is having a conversation with one of his doctors (Weizak) about his other doctor, a brilliant neurosurgeon named Dr. James Brown, who is elsewhere at the time. John asks Dr. Weizak doubtfully whether Dr. Brown likes him. Dr. Weizak responds:

If you feel anything for Jim, feel a little pity. He is a brilliant man, and he will go far. Already he has offers, and someday soon he will fly from these cold north woods and Bangor will see him no more. He will go to Houston or Hawaii or possibly even Paris. But he is curiously limited. He is a mechanic of the brain. He has cut it to pieces with his scalpel and found no soul. And so there is none. Like the Russian astronauts who circled the earth and did not see God. It is the empiricism of the mechanic, and a mechanic is only a child with superior motor control. You must never tell him I said that.


Because my favorite author did such an excellent job of stating both positions on the existence of God, I thought I would post them here for discussion.

Any thoughts?

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

Re: Stephen King on the Existence of God

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:09 pm
by _consiglieri
Not a lot of Stephen King fans here, I take it?

Re: Stephen King on the Existence of God

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:16 pm
by _Buffalo
I have to say, that's some terrible writing. I'm not a writer or anything, but that's just bad stuff.

Sorry, I know that doesn't address your point.

I'm not sure he really covered the depth and breadth of different approaches to handling the God question, though.

Re: Stephen King on the Existence of God

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:19 pm
by _consiglieri
Woo-hooh!

I got a bite!

I don't care what you think, Buff. I'm just glad somebody hit the reply button.

I actually think Stephen King is very gifted in putting sometimes profound thoughts in simple words; the way people really think and really speak.

His Dr. Weizak in this book is sort of playing Van Helsing to John Smith's John Seward; going against the grain of modern scientific empiricism and willing to embrace the supernatural.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

Re: Stephen King on the Existence of God

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:22 pm
by _mikwut
Hi Consiglieri,

I am a fan. I have been reading Desperation and it is the first time in many years I have been able to read him again.

I'm not sure I understand the "excellent job of stating both positions on the existence of god"? The first seems to be a complaint from the character who accepts fate and the second a description of a pure empirical mind.

In Desperation King states,

He had found god, that was all. And god had found him.


That seems more of a position to me from one of his books. He is a believer, he doesn't attend church but believes in a personal God.

best, mikwut

Re: Stephen King on the Existence of God

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:57 pm
by _DarkHelmet
I haven't read much of Stephen King. I just finished 11-22-63 and loved it. The best book I've read in a while. I don't know Stephen King's personal beliefs, but he does a good job building his characters, as he did with the examples you gave.

Re: Stephen King on the Existence of God

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:38 pm
by _consiglieri
DarkHelmet wrote:I haven't read much of Stephen King. I just finished 11-22-63 and loved it. The best book I've read in a while. I don't know Stephen King's personal beliefs, but he does a good job building his characters, as he did with the examples you gave.


I just finished that one, too, DH! King was really smart the way he went about going back in time to save President Kennedy. It was way too big a mission and not emotionally captivating enough on its own. So he made it interesting with smaller, more personal examples of lives that needed to be "rescued" along the way. President Kennedy was the climax, but almost an anti-climax in a way, because he did the other stuff so good.

And I literally cried at the end when they were dancing in Jody, Texas. I am such a softy! When I closed the book after finishing, I just sat there for a full half hour feeling the impact.

One of my favorite "God" quotes from Stephen King (from Duma Key?) is, "God is cruel. Sometimes he makes you live."

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

Re: Stephen King on the Existence of God

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:41 pm
by _consiglieri
mikwut wrote:I am a fan. I have been reading Desperation and it is the first time in many years I have been able to read him again.



I liked Desperation a lot, too. I did a complete double take when the trooper was reading the Miranda rights to the guy he had just arrested and thrown in the back seat of his patrol car.

Would it be okay if I asked why Desperation is the "first time in many years" you "have been able to read him again"?

I am intrigued.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

Re: Stephen King on the Existence of God

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:23 am
by _mikwut
Hi Consig,

Would it be okay if I asked why Desperation is the "first time in many years" you "have been able to read him again"?

I am intrigued.


Just life, law practice, choice of reading in non-fiction.

best, mik

Re: Stephen King on the Existence of God

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:48 pm
by _DarkHelmet
consiglieri wrote:
DarkHelmet wrote:I haven't read much of Stephen King. I just finished 11-22-63 and loved it. The best book I've read in a while. I don't know Stephen King's personal beliefs, but he does a good job building his characters, as he did with the examples you gave.


I just finished that one, too, DH! King was really smart the way he went about going back in time to save President Kennedy. It was way too big a mission and not emotionally captivating enough on its own. So he made it interesting with smaller, more personal examples of lives that needed to be "rescued" along the way. President Kennedy was the climax, but almost an anti-climax in a way, because he did the other stuff so good.

And I literally cried at the end when they were dancing in Jody, Texas. I am such a softy! When I closed the book after finishing, I just sat there for a full half hour feeling the impact.

One of my favorite "God" quotes from Stephen King (from Duma Key?) is, "God is cruel. Sometimes he makes you live."

All the Best!

--Consiglieri


Yeah, he did a great job with the characters. I was actually a bit depressed at the end. I started reading it because I was intrigued by the concept, I love JFK assassination stories (even though I believe Oswald acted alone) and I love time travel stories. By the end of the book, I didn't give a crap about any of that. I only cared about the characters in Jody and Derry.