Romney sidesteps question about Mark of Cain

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Romney sidesteps question about Mark of Cain

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"Why don't you give me a question," Romney asked. But Hatch continued: "Ok, well, in the Mormon book it says there were a blight cast on all the children of Canaan.”

Romney cut him off again. “I’m sorry," he said. "We’re just not going to have a discussion about religion in my view, but if you have a question, I’ll be happy to answer your question.”

Hatch then asked, "Do you believe it’s a sin for a white man to marry and procreate with a black?”

Romney answered with a curt: "No, next question."


Well at least he answered the next question correctly after he used his "Skip" lifeline. I can't wait for someone to ask him about the time he showed up at the hospital unasked/unannounced to talk a woman out of having an abortion in his capacity of Bishop or putting Seamus on the roof for a 12 hr car ride. #Irideinside
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Also From That Article:

UPDATE: The lines Hatch cited is from the Pearl of Great Price, a separate piece of Mormon scripture, and not from the Book of Mormon. The LDS church in 1978 changed its policies on race, allowing men of all ethnic backgrounds to become church bishops and serve in positions of authority.




This Topic was discussed last night on Lawrence O'Donnell's "The Last Word" Show on MSNBC.

Romney dodges question on Mormonism:
http://thelastword.msnbc.msn.com/_news/ ... -mormonism



From Brigham Young, Recorded in The Journal of Discourses:

In 1857 it is estimated that eleven thousand troops were ordered here; some seven thousand started for this place, with several thousand hangers on. They came into this Territory when a company of emigrants were traveling on the south route to California. Nearly all of the Company were destroyed by the Indians. That unfortunate affair has been laid to the charge of the whites. A certain judge that was then in this Territory wanted the whole army to accompany him to Iron county to try the whites for the murder of that company of emigrants. I told Governor Cumming that if he would take an unprejudiced judge into the district where that horrid affair occurred, I would pledge myself that every man in the regions round about should be forthcoming when called for, to be condemned or acquitted as an impartial, unprejudiced judge and jury should decide; and I pledged him that the court should be protected from any violence or hindrance in the prosecution of the laws; and if any were guilty of the blood of those who suffered in the Mountain Meadow massacre, let them suffer the penalty of the law; but to this day they have not touched the matter, for fear the Mormons would be acquitted from the charge of having any hand in it, and our enemies would thus be deprived of a favorite topic to talk about, when urging hostility against us. "The Mountain Meadow massacre! Only think of the Mountain Meadow massacre!!" is their cry from one end of the land to the other.

"Come, let us make war on the Mormons, for they burnt government property." And what was the government doing there with their property? They were coming to destroy the Mormons, in violation of every right principle of law and justice. A little of their property was destroyed, and they were left to gnaw, not a file, but dead cattle's bones. I was informed that one man brought five blood hounds to hunt the Mormons in the mountains, and that the poor devil had to kill them and eat them before spring to save himself from starving to death, and that he was fool enough to acknowledge it afterwards in this city. This is the kind of outside pressure we have to meet with. Who wanted the army of 1857 here? Who sent for them? Liars, thieves, murderers, gamblers, whoremasters, and speculators in the rights and blood of the Mormon people cried to government, and government opened its ears, long and broad, saying, "I hear you, my children, lie on, my faithful sons Brocchus, Drummond and Co.," and so they did lie on until the parent sent an army to use up the Mormons. Now I say, for the consolation of all my brethren and sisters, they cannot do it; and that is worse to them than all the rest; they cannot do it.

The rank, rabid abolitionists, whom I call black-hearted Republicans, have set the whole national fabric on fire. Do you know this, Democrats? They have kindled the fire that is raging now from the north to the south, and from the south to the north. I am no abolitionist. Neither am I a proslavery man; I hate some of their principles and especially some of their conduct, as I do the gates of hell. The Southerners make the negroes, and the Northerners worship them; this is all the difference between slaveholders and abolitionists. I would like the President of the United States and all the world to hear this.

Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so. The nations of the earth have transgressed every law that God has given, they have changed the ordinances and broken every covenant made with the fathers, and they are like a hungry man that dreameth that he eateth, and he awaketh and behold he is empty.

The following saying of the prophet is fulfilled: "Now also many nations are gathered against thee, that say, let her be defiled, and let our eye look upon Zion. But they know not the thoughts of the Lord, neither understand they his counsel; for he shall gather them as the sheaves into the floor. Arise and thrash O daughter of Zion, &c." God rules in the armies of Heaven and does his pleasure upon the earth, and no man can help it. Who can stay the hand of Jehovah, or turn aside the providences of the Almighty? I say to all men and all women, submit to God, to his ordinances and to His rule; serve Him, and cease your quarrelling, and stay the shedding of each other's blood.

If the Government of the United States, in Congress assembled, had the right to pass an anti-polygamy bill, they had also the right to pass a law that slaves should not be abused as they have been; they had also a right to make a law that negroes should be used like human beings, and not worse than dumb brutes. For their abuse of that race, the whites will be cursed, unless they repent.

I am neither an abolitionist nor a pro-slavery man. If I could have been influenced by private injury to choose one side in preference to the other, I should certainly be against the pro-slavery side of the question, for it was pro-slavery men that pointed the bayonet at me and my brethren in Missouri, and said, "Damn you we will kill you." I have not much love for them, only in the Gospel. I would cause them to repent, if I could, and make them good men and a good community. I have no fellowship for their avarice, blindness, and ungodly actions. To be great, is to be good before the Heavens and before all good men. I will not fellowship the wicked in their sins, so help me God.



(Link: http://web.archive.org/web/200407051713 ... 10-24.html , Bold Part is the Part of the Speech that Lawrence O'Donnel Quoted From on his Show.)
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From Brigham Young, Recorded in The Journal of Discourses:


Non doctrinal work. Next question.
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I find it interesting that when placed in view of the world, high profile Mormons find the best defence of their religion is to clam up.
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Drifting wrote:I find it interesting that when placed in view of the world, high profile Mormons find the best defence of their religion is to clam up.



If folks are willing to give President Obama a pass on what his preacher said regarding "death to the white man", etc., then why shouldn't Romney be given the same treatment?

by the way, I support the fact that Obama should not be judged based on words from his preacher. The same goes for Romney. Let's not be hypocrites, here.

I voted for Obama in the last election, by the way, so I am not coming at this as some tea party member.
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liz3564 wrote:
Drifting wrote:I find it interesting that when placed in view of the world, high profile Mormons find the best defence of their religion is to clam up.



If folks are willing to give President Obama a pass on what his preacher said regarding "death to the white man", etc., then why shouldn't Romney be given the same treatment?

by the way, I support the fact that Obama should not be judged based on words from his preacher. The same goes for Romney. Let's not be hypocrites, here.

I voted for Obama in the last election, by the way, so I am not coming at this as some tea party member.


Slighty different I think.
Romney was being asked about a specific part of his belief that was widely taught across the membership for many years, not what a single preacher stated.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.”
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bcspace wrote:
From Brigham Young, Recorded in The Journal of Discourses:


Non doctrinal work. Next question.


So the Lord's prophet didn't know the difference between revelation and his own opinion?

Anyway, it might be doctrinal - depends on if the Holy Spirit ratifies it in your heart! That's the standard of doctrine now.
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liz3564 wrote:
Drifting wrote:I find it interesting that when placed in view of the world, high profile Mormons find the best defence of their religion is to clam up.



If folks are willing to give President Obama a pass on what his preacher said regarding "death to the white man", etc., then why shouldn't Romney be given the same treatment?

by the way, I support the fact that Obama should not be judged based on words from his preacher. The same goes for Romney. Let's not be hypocrites, here.

I voted for Obama in the last election, by the way, so I am not coming at this as some tea party member.


It's a lot different for other Christians. Their faith is based on the Bible, it doesn't stand or fall based on the teachings of their leaders.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

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liz3564 wrote:If folks are willing to give President Obama a pass on what his preacher said regarding "death to the white man", etc., then why shouldn't Romney be given the same treatment?


Obama distanced himself publicly from his preacher when the statements came to light. Personally I don't think Obama is an every Sunday type of guy. *Fingers crossed* I think he's just putting on a show to get elected and is probably more of an agnostic than anything else.
Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded.-charity 3/7/07

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Bond James Bond wrote:
liz3564 wrote:If folks are willing to give President Obama a pass on what his preacher said regarding "death to the white man", etc., then why shouldn't Romney be given the same treatment?


Obama distanced himself publicly from his preacher when the statements came to light. Personally I don't think Obama is an every Sunday type of guy. *Fingers crossed* I think he's just putting on a show to get elected and is probably more of an agnostic than anything else.


I agree - I've heard some of his comments on scripture. He's definitely no literalist, and probably an agnostic.
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