Why Is It So Hard to Figure Out What Mormons Believe?

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Why Is It So Hard to Figure Out What Mormons Believe?

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http://www.patheos.com/blogs/peculiarpeople/2012/04/why-is-it-so-hard-to-figure-out-what-mormons-believe/

So many sig worthy comments.

It is like President Christofferson wrote his conference talk after reading this article.
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
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Re: Why Is It So Hard to Figure Out What Mormons Believe?

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Because Mormons are ashamed of their beliefs. If they weren't they'd proudly proclaim their belief in all those things that outsiders find strange, instead of hiding them or whitewashing them.
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Re: Why Is It So Hard to Figure Out What Mormons Believe?

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Buffalo wrote:Because Mormons are ashamed of their beliefs. If they weren't they'd proudly proclaim their belief in all those things that outsiders find strange, instead of hiding them or whitewashing them.


Holland was certainly ashamed about the Strengthening Church Members Committee; Temple oaths; Joseph Smith's attempts at treasure seeking.
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Re: Why Is It So Hard to Figure Out What Mormons Believe?

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Mormon doctrine is like a tootsie pop..... No one ever really knows what it is or isn't.
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Re: Why Is It So Hard to Figure Out What Mormons Believe?

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In my experience, it's because it's a cult. As a cult member, you are conditioned to always make the best impression for the church. Instinctively, you know what beliefs normal people will find weird, so you lie about them.
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Re: Why Is It So Hard to Figure Out What Mormons Believe?

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I don't understand Your problem.

All the ETERNAL TRUTH of Mormonism can be found at Image (loc.gov) or*** at Image (LDS.org). You have to sort out what is and what is not.

bcspace, tobin and ldsfaqs counsel together to establish doctrine that is consistently proclaimed.

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Other stupid anti-mormon question?


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edited to add: I like bcspace. He is the Archimedean point here.
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Re: Why Is It So Hard to Figure Out What Mormons Believe?

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ludwigm wrote:
bcspace, tobin and ldsfaqs counsel together to establish doctrine that is consistently proclaimed.



At what point will these three decide consensus is not possible and excommunicate each other. :twisted:
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Re: Why Is It So Hard to Figure Out What Mormons Believe?

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Why Is It So Hard to Figure Out What Mormons Believe?


The better question is why is it so hard to take the Church at it's word? The doctrines are whatever it teaches and disseminates. It's just common sense that most apply to any other organization, including other churches, and what the Church happens to say about it's own doctrine; whatever it publishes.

Because Mormons are ashamed of their beliefs. If they weren't they'd proudly proclaim their belief in all those things that outsiders find strange, instead of hiding them or whitewashing them.


The Church itself still teaches the doctrines of plural marriage and the Divinely appointed Priesthood ban. Such doctrines are visible in it's own publications freely available on it's web sites.
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Re: Why Is It So Hard to Figure Out What Mormons Believe?

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Bc,
I think it is because of the contradictions on what is taught now vs what was taught. Look to the priesthood ban as it was taught vs the most recent press release.

The whole we wave our hands and the problems go away doesn't work for rational folk, but only for those drinking the kool-aide.
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Re: Why Is It So Hard to Figure Out What Mormons Believe?

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bcspace wrote:
The Church itself still teaches the doctrines of plural marriage and the Divinely appointed Priesthood ban. Such doctrines are visible in it's own publications freely available on it's web sites.


The church hems and haws and outright lies about the doctrines of deification and the doctrine of each priesthood member creating his own worlds. They must be ashamed of that doctrine.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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