Fact Checking NBC

[_SteelHead]

Come on NBC... check your facts. Joseph invented the religion first, then used it as an excuse for adultery second.....

Not the other way around.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2 ... LDS-Church

[_Buffalo]

The temerity of it all!

And it's more like 33 wives. Apologists will get very huffy about that, as if it's significantly less creepy than having 48 wives.

[_DarkHelmet]

The temerity of it all!

And it's more like 33 wives. Apologists will get very huffy about that, as if it's significantly less creepy than having 48 wives.

It was actually a bit genius (I'm sure it was accidental) to get the details so totally wrong. He said Joseph started the religion after he was caught having sex with his maid, as if he started the religion as a cover-up to the sex scandal. LOL. Also, 48 wives is about 15 too many. What's great about getting the details wrong like that is it baits Mormons into correcting them. If he had stated accurate facts, Mormons would just ignore it. But now Mormons will jump in and claim it is all wrong, disgusting lies. He only had 33 wives, and he started the religion before he started taking other wives, sheesh.

[_Buffalo]

The temerity of it all!

And it's more like 33 wives. Apologists will get very huffy about that, as if it's significantly less creepy than having 48 wives.

It was actually a bit genius (I'm sure it was accidental) to get the details so totally wrong. He said Joseph started the religion after he was caught having sex with his maid, as if he started the religion as a cover-up to the sex scandal. LOL. Also, 48 wives is about 15 too many. What's great about getting the details wrong like that is it baits Mormons into correcting them. If he had stated accurate facts, Mormons would just ignore it. But now Mormons will jump in and claim it is all wrong, disgusting lies. He only had 33 wives, and he started the religion before he started taking other wives, sheesh.

Yes, as if that makes it totally different.

[_SteelHead]

How many have heard the folk legend that scientology was started on a dare between Heinlein and Hubbard?

I am starting to believe that Mormonism was started on a dare between Joseph and Sidney. Sometime around 1826.

Imagine is you will Sidney and Joseph chewing grass stalks on a hill watching the clods go by, shortly after the glass looking trial.

Sidney: Hey Joseph, I bet you can't start a religion.

Joseph: Hah, I've been bilking these rubes for money with the seer stone treasure schtick for so long.... They are susperstitious fools who will believe anything. Plus I'm so slick I can sell ice machines to eskimos.

Sidney: You have to include angelic visitations and miraculous stuff.

Joseph: I can top that. I'll tell them I saw god and Jesus in multiple conflicting accounts. I'll make them believe I got a new book of scripture from an ancient set of golden plates. To top it all, I'll get them to willingly give their wives and daughters to me for sex. I'll say it is polygamy like you were telling me you read about in the old testament.

Sidney: I'm in for $100.00. Plus I want to be the co leader with you if this sh@t actually works.

Joseph: Done! Shake?

And that's how it went down....

[_Themis]

It was actually a bit genius (I'm sure it was accidental) to get the details so totally wrong. He said Joseph started the religion after he was caught having sex with his maid, as if he started the religion as a cover-up to the sex scandal. LOL.

It's to bad that they can't check their facts, but many chapel members will say it's all anti lies regardless of the accuracy of the information. This will to the main tool of protecting most members, although it applies to many forms of belief.

Also, 48 wives is about 15 too many.

Probably. The number comes from Todd Compton, although he does say Joseph would have had more, but there is not sufficient evidence of a number of other candidates to conclude they were married to Joseph, but obviously some would have been.

What's great about getting the details wrong like that is it baits Mormons into correcting them. If he had stated accurate facts, Mormons would just ignore it. But now Mormons will jump in and claim it is all wrong, disgusting lies.

Yup

He only had 33 wives, and he started the religion before he started taking other wives, sheesh.

I have read some articles from apologetics attacking Todd Comptons book and try to lower the number to 28. It's much more saintly if the number is under 30 since over 30 means Joseph is getting to greedy.

[_Themis]

How many have heard the folk legend that scientology was started on a dare between Heinlein and Hubbard?

I am starting to believe that Mormonism was started on a dare between Joseph and Sidney. Sometime around 1826.

Imagine is you will Sidney and Joseph chewing grass stalks on a hill watching the clods go by, shortly after the glass looking trial.

Sidney: Hey Joseph, I bet you can't start a religion.

Joseph: Hah, I've been bilking these rubes for money with the seer stone treasure schtick for so long.... They are susperstitious fools who will believe anything. Plus I'm so slick I can sell ice machines to eskimos.

Sidney: You have to include angelic visitations and miraculous stuff.

Joseph: I can top that. I'll tell them I saw god and Jesus in multiple conflicting accounts. I'll make them believe I got a new book of scripture from an ancient set of golden plates. To top it all, I'll get them to willingly give their wives and daughters to me for sex. I'll say it is polygamy like you were telling me you read about in the old testament.

Sidney: I'm in for $100.00. Plus I want to be the co leader with you if this sh@t actually works.

Joseph: Done! Shake?

And that's how it went down....

LOL Hubbard like Joseph probably just realized the benefits of starting a religion. If successful you get money, fame for maybe 1000's of years, and lots of women. I don't know if Hubbard had lots of women, but Joseph like so many other religious leaders sure did.

Dam, I better get started.

[_sock puppet]

The temerity of it all!

And it's more like 33 wives. Apologists will get very huffy about that, as if it's significantly less creepy than having 48 wives.

It was actually a bit genius (I'm sure it was accidental) to get the details so totally wrong. He said Joseph started the religion after he was caught having sex with his maid, as if he started the religion as a cover-up to the sex scandal. LOL. Also, 48 wives is about 15 too many. What's great about getting the details wrong like that is it baits Mormons into correcting them. If he had stated accurate facts, Mormons would just ignore it. But now Mormons will jump in and claim it is all wrong, disgusting lies. He only had 33 wives, and he started the religion before he started taking other wives, sheesh.

It makes me feel much better that JSJr only committed illegal adultery with 32 (33 minus Emma) than 47 (48 minus Emma) women. Only 32 is one thing, but 47? That would be crossing the line.

[_Stormy Waters]

A Deseret News article on the topic.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865553514/Anti-Mormon-bigotry-repeated-by-MSNBC-host-Lawrence-ODonnell-watchdogs-say.html

It's pretty much what you would expect.

[_Buffalo]

"Thanks for the Muppet News Flash, Larry," Williamson wrote. "The exact nature of Smith’s polygamy is contested (his only children were from his first wife, leading some to believe that his polygamy was of a non-sexual nature), but, yes, he was a polygamist. So was Solomon. So was Abraham. … Mormons gave up polygamy a long time ago. It’s not the 19th century any more. But anti-Mormonism is this season’s fashionable bigotry."

They forgot to mention that it's only contested, without any evidence, by a few squeamish internet apologists.