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The Mormon church uses the term "fall away" for people who leave. People who leave are generally believed to have fallen away from God and lost the Spirit.

This isn't true at all. The truth, I believe, has been summed up in this sentence.

"You cannot fall away from her-there is nowhere she is not." ~Starhawk

This is one of my favorite phrases. It is so beautiful and is how I felt while I was making my way out of the LDS church. I wasn't falling away from God or Spirit at all. It was always there.

There is nowhere the divine is not.

just me wrote:
There is nowhere the divine is not.

I've read this often, but I wonder. I'd be interested in hearing your argument.

For example, I have an easier time finding the divine in some places than others. Is this my shortcoming?

Morley wrote:

just me wrote:
There is nowhere the divine is not.

I've read this often, but I wonder. I'd be interested in hearing your argument.

For example, I have an easier time finding the divine in some places than others. Is this my shortcoming?

The more you deny him the more generally spread abroad gd can be assumed falsely. He is not in the wind or the earthquake or the lightning flash. He is in the still small voice. But not in every still small voice. Only in that still small voice which he has taken the pains to place within you. That no man can pretend to. This act and event he has either done or left undone. Only the undone are free to fancy gd at their lightest whim.

just me wrote:The Mormon church uses the term "fall away" for people who leave. People who leave are generally believed to have fallen away from God and lost the Spirit.

This isn't true at all.

You are right, this isn't true at all. People are said to have fallen away from the church and not from god. I think that Mormons have all sort of takes on people who have fallen away. However, in GA talks during the conference the answer is: to show love to all.

It is clear that an apostasy was predicted by Jesus Christ and his apostles. Jesus taught that, “many shall come in my name, saying ‘I am Christ’, and shall deceive many” (Matthew 24:5). Paul declared, “Be not soon shaken in mind, or troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, not by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by many means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first.” (2 Thessalonians 2:2-3).

We should note that the Greek word apostasia was translated as “falling away” in the KJV. Thus Paul is saying that the early Christians should not be fooled by false Christs since there would be an unmistakable apostasy before Christ’s return. Consider also the following: Matthew 24:4, 9-13, 24; John 16:2-3; Acts 20:29-30; 1 Corinthians 1:10-13; Galatians 1:6-8; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12; 1 Timothy 4:1-3; 2 Timothy 3:1-9, 12-13; 4:3-4; Titus 1:10-16; 2 Peter 2:1-3; 3:3; 1 John 2:18-19; Jude 3-4; Revelation 13:4-8.

http://www.fairlds.org/authors/hickenbo ... n-apostasy

However, in GA talks during the conference the answer is: to show love to all.

Showing love to them doesn't change the fact that they have fallen away. And since the LDS Church is God's Church, falling away from one or the other is the same thing.

just me wrote:The Mormon church uses the term "fall away" for people who leave. People who leave are generally believed to have fallen away from God and lost the Spirit.

This isn't true at all. The truth, I believe, has been summed up in this sentence.

"You cannot fall away from her-there is nowhere she is not." ~Starhawk

This is one of my favorite phrases. It is so beautiful and is how I felt while I was making my way out of the LDS church. I wasn't falling away from God or Spirit at all. It was always there.

There is nowhere the divine is not.

Arguably you get more attention from God (and Mormons) when you fall away.

I'm not falling away but rather climbing away.

just me wrote: There is nowhere the divine is not.

You are correct. Listen not to false voices; do not stand in holy places; make every place you stand a holy place.

Morley wrote:

just me wrote:
There is nowhere the divine is not.

I've read this often, but I wonder. I'd be interested in hearing your argument.

For example, I have an easier time finding the divine in some places than others. Is this my shortcoming?

I would say yes. The shortcoming is the lack of confidence of the divinity which lies within you.

just me wrote:The Mormon church uses the term "fall away" for people who leave. People who leave are generally believed to have fallen away from God and lost the Spirit.

This isn't true at all. The truth, I believe, has been summed up in this sentence.

"You cannot fall away from her-there is nowhere she is not." ~Starhawk

This is one of my favorite phrases. It is so beautiful and is how I felt while I was making my way out of the LDS church. I wasn't falling away from God or Spirit at all. It was always there.

There is nowhere the divine is not.

I had a trial of faith journey several years ago. Many people on this board helped me through it. I am in a place where I have found peace. I don't believe that everyone is destined to find peace in the same way that I did, but I hope that you, Zee, and anyone else who is struggling can find your own personal peace.

There are parts of the LDS gospel which I wholeheartedly accept, and other pieces which I do not. For me, personally, what I do accept outweighs what I don't accept. Therefore, I am at peace with retaining my membership in the Church, and serving in callings which I feel contribute to the Ward, and are also personally fulfilling for me, and for my family.

You, your family, Zee, and Zee's family are in my prayers.

I am a PM or email away if you need to talk.