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Another Dodo Moment for Elder Holland?
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:24 pm
by _consiglieri
In Elder Holland's Saturday afternoon talk in General Conference, he seems to divide the world of non-Mormons into two categories. Those who have left the Church, and those who will join.
He did this by inserting the word "yet" not once, but twice in his talk.
Whether you are not yet of our faith or were with us once and have not remained, there is nothing in either case that you have done that cannot be undone. There is no problem which you cannot overcome.
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My beloved brothers and sisters, to those of you who have been blessed by the gospel for many years because you were fortunate enough to find it early, to those of you who have come to the gospel by stages and phases later, and to those of you—members and not yet members—who may still be hanging back, to each of you, one and all, I testify of the renewing power of God’s love and the miracle of His grace. His concern is for the faith at which you finally arrive, not the hour of the day in which you got there.
Am I the only one who found this a tad presumptuous?
And wasn't Elder Holland wearing the same necktie he had on during the BBC interview?
All the Best!
--Consiglieri
Re: Another Dodo Moment for Elder Holland?
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:26 pm
by _Buffalo
consiglieri wrote:And wasn't Elder Holland wearing the same necktie he had on during the BBC interview?
All the Best!
--Consiglieri
Perhaps that tie tends to go on too tight, constricting blood flow to his brain.
Re: Another Dodo Moment for Elder Holland?
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:27 pm
by _sock puppet
consiglieri wrote:In Elder Holland's Saturday afternoon talk in General Conference, he seems to divide the world of non-Mormons into two categories. Those who have left the Church, and those who will join.
He did this by inserting the word "yet" not once, but twice in his talk.
Whether you are not yet of our faith or were with us once and have not remained, there is nothing in either case that you have done that cannot be undone. There is no problem which you cannot overcome.
***
My beloved brothers and sisters, to those of you who have been blessed by the gospel for many years because you were fortunate enough to find it early, to those of you who have come to the gospel by stages and phases later, and to those of you—members and not yet members—who may still be hanging back, to each of you, one and all, I testify of the renewing power of God’s love and the miracle of His grace. His concern is for the faith at which you finally arrive, not the hour of the day in which you got there.
Am I the only one who found this a tad presumptuous?
And wasn't Elder Holland wearing the same necktie he had on during the BBC interview?
All the Best!
--Consiglieri
Is it the same necktie that he wore every day of his mission?
Re: Another Dodo Moment for Elder Holland?
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:28 pm
by _sock puppet
Maybe Holland regards "the Church" as the Once and Future Cult.
Re: Another Dodo Moment for Elder Holland?
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:37 pm
by _consiglieri
sock puppet wrote:Maybe Holland regards "the Church" as the Once and Future Cult.
How T. H. White of him!
And with all the negative publicity about baptisms for the dead, mightn't there seem an ominous overtone to such language?
You can run, but you can't hide.
Not even in the grave.
All the Best!
--Consiglieri
Re: Another Dodo Moment for Elder Holland?
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:43 pm
by _sock puppet
consiglieri wrote:sock puppet wrote:Maybe Holland regards "the Church" as the Once and Future Cult.
How T. H. White of him!
And with all the negative publicity about baptisms for the dead, mightn't there seem an ominous overtone to such language?
You can run, but you can't hide.
Not even in the grave.
All the Best!
--Consiglieri
Damn, consig, you are too well versed and read for me to try and plagiarize and then paraphrase a damn good phrase.
Re: Another Dodo Moment for Elder Holland?
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:56 pm
by _Infymus
What pisses me off about this sanctimonious asshole is this:
Whether you are not yet of our faith or were with us once and have not remained, there is nothing in either case that you have done that cannot be undone. There is no problem which you cannot overcome.
Screw you Holland.
Re: Another Dodo Moment for Elder Holland?
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:07 pm
by _jskains
Infymus wrote:What pisses me off about this sanctimonious asshole is this:
Whether you are not yet of our faith or were with us once and have not remained, there is nothing in either case that you have done that cannot be undone. There is no problem which you cannot overcome.
f*** you Holland.
They have pills for people who have anger issues.
JMS
Re: Another Dodo Moment for Elder Holland?
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:28 pm
by _MsJack
It's a bit of an odd choice of words, but I'm gonna be charitable here and say that he was just being hopeful. He honestly believes his religion teaches the truth, and he honestly believes that the best place for everyone is found within the church, therefore he hopes to see the day when everyone will convert.
Re: Another Dodo Moment for Elder Holland?
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:54 pm
by _Infymus
jskains wrote:They have pills for people who have anger issues.
JMS
And a vast majority of Mormons are taking pills to help them cope with staying members.