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California Boy made an interesting observation at MDD/MADD:

It is no surprise that society values marriage less than it used to since churches for the past two decades have been advocating that it is better for gay couples to not get married and living together is perferred. They state that marriage is a religious institution. Many young people look at these two messages that have beens strongly supported by the very institutions that should be encouraging couples to marry and come to the conclusion that if it is not important for gay couples to marry and if marriage is only important if you are religious, then perhaps marriage is not for me. I have had straight couples say that exact same thing to me.

It would be highly ironic if the tactic of aggressively branding marriage as a religious-only (actually conservative Judeo-Christian only) institution (and thereby excluding gay people) ended up turning the swelling masses of indifferent/secular young folks off from marriage altogether. The biggest threat to the sanctity of marriage might be the COJCOLDS. They can sanctify marriage right out of business.

The biggest threat to the sanctity of marriage might be the COJCOLDS. They can sanctify marriage right out of business.

Given the divorce rate in Mormon/non-Mormon marriages, they are definitely eroding family values.

I was thrown back into the dating pool a few years ago. On some of these dating sites I would notice people, forty-somethings, listing themselves as 'never been married', or 'once divorced', but then in getting to know them it would seem that there was more than just a couple failed relationships.

One gal I dated called it serial monogamy....

My take on that though is that if a pair decides to move in together, share a checkbook, commit to monogamy, swap *I love youz*.... IT'S A MARRIAGE! Whether it has an official state endorsement or not,... It is a failed attempt at a lifetime relationship...... COUNT IT.


I have a 25 year old son, 2nd of four, he has lived with his girlfriend for two years. They have a baby coming in Aug., she wears an engagement ring....with no wedding date on the horizon.....Mutually desired. IT'S A MARRIAGE!


I have a dental hygienist who likes to wear earring fishies, crucifixes, and talk evangelical baby talk to her captive audiences... My wife just informed me the other day that she's been living with a guy for years....and was recently dumped.


I think people have been doing this for years, and deep down inside, no matter how much religion they claim to own, it's not going to get in the way of keeping their official personal marriage count in the zero to threez.

Buffalo wrote:California Boy made an interesting observation at MDD/MADD:

It is no surprise that society values marriage less than it used to since churches for the past two decades have been advocating that it is better for gay couples to not get married and living together is perferred. They state that marriage is a religious institution. Many young people look at these two messages that have beens strongly supported by the very institutions that should be encouraging couples to marry and come to the conclusion that if it is not important for gay couples to marry and if marriage is only important if you are religious, then perhaps marriage is not for me. I have had straight couples say that exact same thing to me.

It would be highly ironic if the tactic of aggressively branding marriage as a religious-only (actually conservative Judeo-Christian only) institution (and thereby excluding gay people) ended up turning the swelling masses of indifferent/secular young folks off from marriage altogether. The biggest threat to the sanctity of marriage might be the COJCOLDS. They can sanctify marriage right out of business.

That is a great observation. By forcing gay people to remain single, the church is setting them up to fail. They will either end up masturbating to gay porn (a sin second only to murder), or they will end up having gay sex outside the bonds of marriage (another sin second only to murder). They will then experience tremendous guilt, depression, etc, confess to their bishop and have to sit through a disciplinary counsel conducted by a bunch of old conservative straight guys. Why would a gay person want to be a Mormon? It's like a black guy who wants to join the KKK.

As per my last post, I think that people do not let religion get in the way of their important decisions....and it's been this way forever. Outwardly, yeah....look at me, I'm going to heaven. Inwardly, it's all about how will this decision affect my bank account, my image and my physical well being.

Evidence the Mad board....Has religion caused the pros over there to choose benevolence?

It is no surprise that society values marriage less than it used to since churches for the past two decades have been advocating that it is better for gay couples to not get married and living together is perferred. They state that marriage is a religious institution. Many young people look at these two messages that have beens strongly supported by the very institutions that should be encouraging couples to marry and come to the conclusion that if it is not important for gay couples to marry and if marriage is only important if you are religious, then perhaps marriage is not for me. I have had straight couples say that exact same thing to me.

Marriage is a legal entity. Religion may have co-opted it, but at its base, it's purpose is to transfer property and inheritance.

It would be highly ironic if the tactic of aggressively branding marriage as a religious-only (actually conservative Judeo-Christian only) institution (and thereby excluding gay people) ended up turning the swelling masses of indifferent/secular young folks off from marriage altogether.

How does Islam treat the idea of gay marriage? They represent a huge percentage of the world's population, but I don't recall hearing too much about their views of homosexuality.

harmony wrote:How does Islam treat the idea of gay marriage? They represent a huge percentage of the world's population, but I don't recall hearing too much about their views of homosexuality.

Homosexuality is not permitted in Islam. In some Islamic countries, if you are caught in a homosexual relationship, you will be hanged. This is a common practice in Iran for example.
http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2005/10/shocking_new_ph.html

Tobin wrote:Homosexuality is not permitted in Islam. In some Islamic countries, if you are caught in a homosexual relationship, you will be hanged. This is a common practice in Iran for example.
http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2005/10/shocking_new_ph.html

Well, I guess that means gay marriage isn't an issue.

harmony wrote:

Tobin wrote:Homosexuality is not permitted in Islam. In some Islamic countries, if you are caught in a homosexual relationship, you will be hanged. This is a common practice in Iran for example.
http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2005/10/shocking_new_ph.html

Well, I guess that means gay marriage isn't an issue.

In Iran, the Islamic Gov. pays for sex changes, this practice is sanctioned by the religious leaders.

Also, look up dancing boys in afgahistan - I think the term is dancing boy.

3sheets2thewind wrote:
In Iran, the Islamic Gov. pays for sex changes, this practice is sanctioned by the religious leaders.

Just a fancier eunuch. Well within their traditions.