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From another thread, started by RayAgostini, he quoted--

RayAgostini wrote:"Without faith, it is impossible to please God."

Three questions:

1-Why does this god not please himself?

2-Why does this god need us to please him/her/it?

3-What about acting or believing something in the absence of evidence is pleasing to this god? Why would this god not be more impressed, more pleased to observe us acting rationally, based on evidence?

As to ## 1 and 2, zeezrom muses--

zeezrom wrote:These are questions I never thought to ask before a year ago, SP. Now, all I can say is maybe god needs entertainment. More likely, god is not capable of informing us, which is fine by me.

I don't get why god would prefer those who guess, with peer pressure of how to interpret nonspecific 'feelings', rather than first gather information and make an informed decision.

It seems this methodology prefers lemmings that go along with the crowd (peer pressure) to those that would only make and act on informed decisions. This god would make for a piss-poor CEO if he populates his organization with such people.

I thought the Glory of God is Intelligence, Not faith. I thought that Alma's lecture on faith was to get knowledge. That in Alma 32:34 the goal of faith is to develop a sure knowledge.
I heard your quote “without faith, it is impossible to please God” form the first vision movie. Some minister was saying it.
God does not need our faith. The LDS faith has joined the rest of the world in thinking that God and science are incompatible. They want to be excluded from truth and logic.
God knows who he is and does not operate on faith if he wants us to be like him why would he ask us to not know ?
It is usually the people with the most to hide who ask for you to have faith. Those who have earned your trust do not have to ask for your faith.

sock puppet wrote:I don't get why god would prefer those who guess, with peer pressure of how to interpret nonspecific 'feelings', rather than first gather information and make an informed decision.

Mainstream Christians don't realize it, but they're really worshiping Loki, the Norse god of mischief.

sock puppet wrote:I don't get why god would prefer those who guess, with peer pressure of how to interpret nonspecific 'feelings', rather than first gather information and make an informed decision.

It seems this methodology prefers lemmings that go along with the crowd (peer pressure) to those that would only make and act on informed decisions. This god would make for a piss-poor CEO if he populates his organization with such people.

There are a spread of meanings that people use the word faith for. One meaning, believing what you know is not true may apply to some situations. I am unsure what Ray meant. I am quite sure that the sort of thing you reference here which is a possible meaning, is not the meaning the author of Hebrews had in mind.

That author is speaking to people who believe Christianity based upon some reasons once seen as convincing but due to social pressure, fear and longing for traditional security may drift away from faith.

The author is frustratingly brief in stating his meaning of faith but a central part of the meaning I see there is the courage to be true to the best you know and the goodness you hope for instead of the compromising of going with the crowd. With that in view I find Hebrews agreeing with my faith that God is looking for people to use their reason and knowledge to clarify what is good and true.

It's an S&M thing, you just wouldn't understand.

lulu wrote:It's an S&M thing, you just wouldn't understand.

Some twisted pleasure from imbuing us with rationale minds, and then asking us (not directly, but via peer pressure from others) to make an irrational decision? This god appears to be a 'parent' that would prefer us to act like pubescent teenagers than mature adults. But hey, this is the Church of Promiscuous Sex if You are the Founder--very teenage activity.

It's simple, really. God needs to keep up appearances in front of the other gods. If his kids aren't faithful in every little thing, that makes him look bad to the other gods in the council of the gods whose kids are all really faithful and stuff. It's just like Mormon parents here on earth--they'd rather have all their kids toe the line than think for themselves ("no empty chairs" and all that).

Equality wrote:It's simple, really. God needs to keep up appearances in front of the other gods. If his kids aren't faithful in every little thing, that makes him look bad to the other gods in the council of the gods whose kids are all really faithful and stuff. It's just like Mormon parents here on earth--they'd rather have all their kids toe the line than think for themselves ("no empty chairs" and all that).

God is so similar to humans, the only possible conclusion we can draw is that we are his offspring.

-JV

Equality wrote:It's simple, really. God needs to keep up appearances in front of the other gods. If his kids aren't faithful in every little thing, that makes him look bad to the other gods in the council of the gods whose kids are all really faithful and stuff. It's just like Mormon parents here on earth--they'd rather have all their kids toe the line than think for themselves ("no empty chairs" and all that).

"Did you see how many empty chairs Elohim has? I heard he lost 1/3 of his spirit children before his planet was even finished.... awkward."

aranyborju wrote:

Equality wrote:It's simple, really. God needs to keep up appearances in front of the other gods. If his kids aren't faithful in every little thing, that makes him look bad to the other gods in the council of the gods whose kids are all really faithful and stuff. It's just like Mormon parents here on earth--they'd rather have all their kids toe the line than think for themselves ("no empty chairs" and all that).

"Did you see how many empty chairs Elohim has? I heard he lost 1/3 of his spirit children before his planet was even finished.... awkward."

Yeah, I could just hear the other gods and goddesses at the great council talking in that Jim Gaffigan lady-in-the-audience voice: "I don't think Elohim's a very good parent...his kids just don't obey without question like they should."