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Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men leer

Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 6:43 pm
by _just me
ARGH! Here is a fantastic example of the message that is routinely sent to the females of the LDS church.

http://www2.byui.edu/Presentations/Tran ... rsusan.htm

Here is a quote used in the talk given by Susan Bednar:

Many young women at Ricks College are showing too much skin. Every day I see at least one girl sitting somewhere with a substantial part of her lower back exposed. It has become way too common of an occurrence. It is thoughtless, inappropriate, and embarrassing. Any time that I see such an occurrence, I cannot help but think how ignorant these young women are. Exposed skin and immodest clothing can introduce thoughts into a person's mind that would have never existed otherwise. Such thoughts can be overpowering and lead to improper and immoral actions. Good people can stumble because of seemingly small situations (John Wilson, Scroll, "Epidermis exposure is too common," November 7, 2000).


Ladies, if you show skin it is your fault if boys think about sex or actually act on any of their natural impulses. You are ignorant if you don't think so!

Another:

. . . I have another matter that weighs upon my mind . . . with respect to the women, and more particularly with regard to the manner in which they dress. Never, perhaps, at least within the period of my life--and I have lived in the world nearly seventy-five years--never, I say within the period of my life and experience have I seen such obscene, uncleanly, impure, and suggestive fashions of women's dress as I see today. Some of them are abominable. I lift my voice against these audacious practices and these infamous fashions . . . (Joseph F. Smith, October Conference, 1913, Life of Joseph F. Smith, p. 405).


Hmmm, what horrible, immodest clothing could he have been referring to in 1913? Certainly the wives of the GA's today wear attire just as revealing as whatever JFS was referring to.

You can find some fashion examples on beloved wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1910s_in_fashion

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Susan shares an awful experience she endured as a young woman:

Let me tell you of an embarrassing experience I had when I was your age and a student at Brigham Young University. I was wearing a tight turtle neck similar to most of the turtle necks and tight shirts I see you young women wearing. I'd gone into the 7-Eleven store to buy something to eat when I heard two sleazy boys make some extremely vulgar comments about me. The way we dress does send a message, and I sent a message I didn't intend to boys I didn't have any desire to date, much less associate with. I felt violated by their comments; I felt dirty and cheap. Inside I just wanted to say, "I'm not that kind of a girl." But the top I was wearing didn't reflect that. I never wore that top or anything tight like it again. I want to warn you, many of you are sending the wrong message about who you are by the tight tops you wear.


Sadly, she seems to indicate that it was her fault that these boys were lewd and vulgar towards her. If she had worn a tent or potato sack they would have ignored her, right?

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I talked with a father who is serving as a priesthood leader on campus. Recently when he went to pick up his daughter at her apartment complex, he was disappointed to find two girls with navel rings sunbathing in their bikinis. Young women, what kind of a message are we trying to send?


As summer and swimsuit season approach I wonder what on earth women are supposed to do! Is it wrong for females to go to the pool or beach on the chance that they might garner male attention? If they do go should they wear a mu-mu or burqa so that no one can discern their sex?
Even a one-piece swimsuit is not modest according to LDS standards because the garment cannot be covered with it. A tank top is more modest than any modern swimsuit.

Except this one, but it's still too short and tight:
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Some of the tops you wear show every bump and every curve on your breast. They fit you like a wet swimming suit with no padding, and they are showing every bit as much.


Would it help if women cut off their breasts? Or just the nipples...

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Re: Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men lee

Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 6:51 pm
by _Polygamy-Porter
Meh.

Wear what you want now.

You are out of the cult.

Re: Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men lee

Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 6:53 pm
by _MCB
A man sins when he gets an erection. In order to relieve his guilt, he blames the woman for dressing in such a way that he has a sexual thought.

Complain, complain. Just take responsibility. :twisted:

Re: Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men lee

Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 6:58 pm
by _why me
Well, if men on this forum were honest they would admit that when a women walks by in tight jeans with a nice bottom, they are looking. Also, when a woman wears a revealing blouse, the men are looking. It is only natural for guys to look at sexy women. Of course, I kinda like women wearing revealing clothes. It is one of the pleasures of being a man to look.

So, basically the church is right. Why excite the male into a fantasy?

Re: Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men lee

Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 7:04 pm
by _just me
MCB wrote:A man sins when he gets an erection. In order to relieve his guilt, he blames the woman for dressing in such a way that he has a sexual thought.

Complain, complain. Just take responsibility. :twisted:


I think the only erections I cannot take responsibility for are those of Paul O. and lulu. :twisted:

Re: Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men lee

Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 7:08 pm
by _David A. Bednar
My dear wife is offended that you choose to mock her for her virtue.

Please cease and desist. God will not be mocked. Nor will Susan!

Your brother, David, yea, even Elder David A. Bednar, as always, yoked firmly in the gospel harness.

Re: Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men lee

Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 7:11 pm
by _Buffalo
why me wrote:Well, if men on this forum were honest they would admit that when a women walks by in tight jeans with a nice bottom, they are looking. Also, when a woman wears a revealing blouse, the men are looking. It is only natural for guys to look at sexy women. Of course, I kinda like women wearing revealing clothes. It is one of the pleasures of being a man to look.

So, basically the church is right. Why excite the male into a fantasy?


Why blame women for your lechery, why me? Why do you have a pathological need to blame women for your own sins?

Re: Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men lee

Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 7:12 pm
by _DarkHelmet
just me wrote:
Let me tell you of an embarrassing experience I had when I was your age and a student at Brigham Young University. I was wearing a tight turtle neck similar to most of the turtle necks and tight shirts I see you young women wearing. I'd gone into the 7-Eleven store to buy something to eat when I heard two sleazy boys make some extremely vulgar comments about me.



There are lots of sleazy boys who make vulgar comments about any half-way attractive woman they see. How does she come to the conclusion that her turtle neck was the cause of it? I would guess the same boys would make vulgar comments even if she was wearing a burka. Unfortunately, women have to put up with pigs from time to time. But we need to blame the pigs, not the women being harassed.

Re: Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men lee

Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 7:13 pm
by _3sheets2thewind
All the stay at home crafty moms, can now start earning an income by embroidering your favorite BYU Campus logo on your Honor Code appropriate female attire.

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Re: Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men lee

Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 7:13 pm
by _Morley
why me wrote:Well, if men on this forum were honest they would admit that when a women walks by in tight jeans with a nice bottom, they are looking. Also, when a woman wears a revealing blouse, the men are looking. It is only natural for guys to look at sexy women. Of course, I kinda like women wearing revealing clothes. It is one of the pleasures of being a man to look.

So, basically the church is right. Why excite the male into a fantasy?


It's not a woman's responsibility. It's mine.

If a woman slaps on an abeya and walks by, I'll still look. And that's okay--as long as I'm not an ass. It's not a woman's fault if I choose to be an ass.