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They keep saying, they got something for me
Something they call facts and evidence
They've been cryin' that we've all been mistaken
And now Quinn and Brooks are following the scent

Apostasy's a bummer. That's just what they say
Let's all of us watch "the intellectuals" doubt and fall away

Yeah, they keep pratin' when they oughta be prayin'
And they keep saying, Boyd K. Packer's a rat
They say Kinsey's got the right incantation
Now, what's left is Left, and they ain't been right yet

Apostasy's a bummer. That's just what they say
And all of us watch as Dialogue and Sunstone fade away.

They keep playin' with those trendy conceptions
And they keep thinkin' that they'll never get burnt
Hah!, they've all got a left-wing fascination,
Yeah, its pomo time and social justice burns

Apostasy's a bummer. That's just what they say
And all of them looking for that coming great and liberal day

Are you ready apologetic boots?

Staaaaart WALKING...

I thought it was an extra day off per week and a 10% raise. But I agree that the lifestyle and closed mind of the apostate is a quite a bummer.

Someday they'll kick all the liberals and the heterodox cafeteria Mormons out of the church. Joanna Brooks will be out, along with DCP and Marlin K. Jensen and Richard Bushman and Terryl L. Givens and everyone else who doesn't meet purity standards.

I think our interests are aligned, Droopy. We both want it to happen. Maybe if Packer becomes the president of the COB we'll get our wish. :)

DCP's no longer a conservative? Ohhhhh Nooooo!

The process of apostasy sucks, but once you're out, life is pretty good. I am happy, and I don't feel inadequate and guilty anymore. I used to really want the church to be true. But now I realize that I was never happy in the church, and who wants to go back to that?

Runtu wrote:The process of apostasy sucks, but once you're out, life is pretty good. I am happy, and I don't feel inadequate and guilty anymore. I used to really want the church to be true. But now I realize that I was never happy in the church, and who wants to go back to that?

Zactly. I don't think I've felt this much hope, excitement and happiness since...maybe high school.

(Oh, and Droopy, I had a seminary teacher tell me that "bummer" is a bad word. You might wanna work on that.)

just me wrote:Zactly. I don't think I've felt this much hope, excitement and happiness since...maybe high school.

Outstanding.

Don't you just love the way people who have never experienced apostasy, presume to know precisely what that experience is like?

Apostasy is a tough process to swallow for many folks. For others it is quite easy. It all depends on just how deep their social roots go into the Church. For me I was lucky. I was the only member in my family. For others, by leaving the Church they are literally sacrificing their life as they know it, socially, economically, familially, etc.

That;s one of the things we discusses today during lunch. Don Bradley is one LDS member who actually gets it. Most "apostates" are folks who are genuine in their gripes. Many of them still want the Church to be true. I know I do.

But it isn't, and it is that sadness that some folks have to learn to live with.

Buffalo wrote:Someday they'll kick all the liberals and the heterodox cafeteria Mormons out of the church. Joanna Brooks will be out, along with DCP and Marlin K. Jensen and Richard Bushman and Terryl L. Givens and everyone else who doesn't meet purity standards.

I think our interests are aligned, Droopy. We both want it to happen. Maybe if Packer becomes the president of the COB we'll get our wish. :)

No one is ever going to be excommunicated unless they commit a clearly excommunicable offense, and even then, the Spirit decides on a case by case basis, what conditions will be. In my own experience with Church disciplinary counsels, the bias is against excommunication except as a last resort.

I have not called for the excommunication of anyone, so I'm confused by the constant haranguing by critics here about it.

All I've ever said is that, at the wedding feast, unless these people repent and determine to "live by every word the proceedeth forth from the mouth of God," and conform themselves and their personal philosophy to the standards, principles, and requirements of the gospel, and follow the living oracles, and place their own ideological/personal beliefs in a position of distinct secondary status to the teachings of the Lord's church, and indeed, be willing to modify and/or abandon them when they fall outside gospel perimeters, the door will be closed, and the foolish virgins will have no time to fill their lamps, neither on campus, nor at Dialogue, or at Sunstone, nor in any room, hall, or attic of the Great and Spacious Building. Yea, even FAIR will be no place to go for a hasty rehabilitation. The wedding feast will have already begun, and there will be no party crashing at this get together.

My hope is that each and every one of such people will be at that feast (and I hope I will manage that feat as well). My real problem is more with those, particularly in the church, who aid and abet the process and psychology of apostasy, than with those from without who's criticisms come without experience within the Church.

bcspace wrote:I thought it was an extra day off per week and a 10% raise. But I agree that the lifestyle and closed mind of the apostate is a quite a bummer.

This made me literally LOL. Thanks for the laughs, bcspace.