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Atheism correlates with societal well being

Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 2:39 pm
by _Panopticon
http://www.theofrak.com/2012/05/atheism-and-societal-well-being.html

When I was in Stockholm last year, I stood in the spot near the Royal Palace where this picture was taken. I remember thinking how beautiful the city was, not at all the miserable, lawless wasteland that many Mormons would predict it to be given its atheist majority (there are explicit teachings in the Book of Mormon that a country's prosperity is directly linked to worshipping God).

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If anything the reverse appears to true. Japan (the most atheistic nation in the G-8) has the lowest murder rate, while the United States (the most Christian nation in the G-8) has the highest. Japan used to have much stronger religious faith, and a state religion. Guess what: Japan was remarkably aggressive and militaristic when "Shinto" was at its peak, and during WWII, when its Emperor was regarded as a God.

Louisiana, with America's highest church attendance rate, has twice the national average murder rate.

If atheism causes violence, why are right-wing fundamentalists unable to find a shred of statistical evidence to back up that claim?

The 2009 Global Peace Index assessed countries in light of 23 criteria, including foreign wars, internal conflicts, respect for human rights, the number of murders, the number of people in jail, the arms trade, and degrees of democracy. Interestingly, peaceful countries have more atheists and fewer regular worshippers. The difference is highly statistically significant (P=0.001 or less).

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Atheists tend to come out on top on a number of measures of 'societal success' - wealth, education, life expectancy, and corruption, for example. In 2010, Gallup published an international ranking, the Global Well Being Index. It is interesting to correlate rates of atheism with societal well being.

A core part of their measure is the number of people who report they are thriving, defined as follows. Gallup measures life satisfaction by asking respondents to rate their present and future lives on a “ladder” scale with steps numbered from 0 to 10, where “0” indicates the worst possible life and “10” the best possible life. Individuals who rate their current lives a “7” or higher and their future an “8” or higher are considered thriving.

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Of course, correlation does not equate to causation. Many other factors affect societal well being. However, the claim that non-belief results in the destruction of society is demonstrably false. Many countries are doing quite well in the absence of supernatural beliefs.

Re: Atheism correlates with societal well being

Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 4:56 pm
by _DarkHelmet
If I was a TBM, I would say that Satan works hardest on the faithful. So it would make sense that where there is a large percentage of faithful people trying to live the gospel, Satan and his minions are there working against them. So all the misery in these countries is caused by Satan. The atheist countries are "happy" because Satan is not working as hard on them. And even though they might think they are happy, they aren't really happy because they don't have the gospel. If they knew what they were missing out on, they wouldn't think they were happy.

Re: Atheism correlates with societal well being

Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 5:08 pm
by _Buffalo
DarkHelmet wrote:If I was a TBM, I would say that Satan works hardest on the faithful. So it would make sense that where there is a large percentage of faithful people trying to live the gospel, Satan and his minions are there working against them. So all the misery in these countries is caused by Satan. The atheist countries are "happy" because Satan is not working as hard on them. And even though they might think they are happy, they aren't really happy because they don't have the gospel. If they knew what they were missing out on, they wouldn't think they were happy.


Sounds like authentic believer babble. Of course, it doesn't quite jibe with the Book of Mormon prosperity gospel.

Re: Atheism correlates with societal well being

Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 5:24 pm
by _DarkHelmet
Buffalo wrote:
DarkHelmet wrote:If I was a TBM, I would say that Satan works hardest on the faithful. So it would make sense that where there is a large percentage of faithful people trying to live the gospel, Satan and his minions are there working against them. So all the misery in these countries is caused by Satan. The atheist countries are "happy" because Satan is not working as hard on them. And even though they might think they are happy, they aren't really happy because they don't have the gospel. If they knew what they were missing out on, they wouldn't think they were happy.


Sounds like authentic believer babble. Of course, it doesn't quite jibe with the Book of Mormon prosperity gospel.


Yeah, but the Book of Mormon was written by Nephites in hindsight. I'm sure the wicked Lamanites think they are "happy", and the Nephites thought they were happy at the time, until they started living the gospel and realized they were actually miserable before. I can't believe I'm actually arguing this. The apologists here are rubbing off on me.

Anyway, back to the OP. The data does back up the observation that atheists tend to be genuinely happy overall, while religious people tend to be at war with one another. I'm sure there are a number of theories on why that is the case. It just makes logical sense to me that when you live life without fear of what your supreme leader thinks, free to pursue your own happiness, whatever you decide that is, it's a good foundation for a happy life.

Re: Atheism correlates with societal well being

Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 5:45 pm
by _Darth J
Clearly, some people need to learn more about Scandinavian history. Have you ever heard of the Vikings? They pillaged and murdered and raped in villages all over Europe, and they had horns on their helmets. This last item is particularly interesting, given that horns on one's head are associated with the Devil. We're all familiar with stories about people who bargained with the Devil to get apparent prosperity, from Faust to Disney's The Devil and Max Devlin. Usually there is at least some factual basis to popular fiction, and Sweden is no exception.

Re: Atheism correlates with societal well being

Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 10:40 am
by _DrW
Norway, Denmark and Sweden are three great examples of prosperous, safe, liberal and primarily atheistic societies.

Unlike the prevailing attitude toward atheists in America, religionists are not vilified in these countries. In fact the religious there are treated quite well.

For example, in Denmark there is still a federal "Church Tax" that is withheld from wages. This tax is collected by the federal government and distributed to the churches in accordance with the number of taxpayers declaring adherence to each religion.

Religion in many of the northern European countries in general is viewed more or less as it should be - a quaint and antiquated tradition with little value to contemporary society.

Re: Atheism correlates with societal well being

Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 4:24 pm
by _Equality
Darth J wrote:Clearly, some people need to learn more about Scandinavian history. Have you ever heard of the Vikings? They pillaged and murdered and raped in villages all over Europe, and they had horns on their helmets. This last item is particularly interesting, given that horns on one's head are associated with the Devil. We're all familiar with stories about people who bargained with the Devil to get apparent prosperity, from Faust to Disney's The Devil and Max Devlin. Usually there is at least some factual basis to popular fiction, and Sweden is no exception.


I believe the "horned helmet" of the Vikings is a myth. Viking battle helmets did not sport horns:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/rea ... ir-helmets
http://europeanhistory.about.com/od/the ... myths6.htm
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Re: Atheism correlates with societal well being

Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 4:29 pm
by _Equality
Buffalo wrote:
DarkHelmet wrote:If I was a TBM, I would say that Satan works hardest on the faithful. So it would make sense that where there is a large percentage of faithful people trying to live the gospel, Satan and his minions are there working against them. So all the misery in these countries is caused by Satan. The atheist countries are "happy" because Satan is not working as hard on them. And even though they might think they are happy, they aren't really happy because they don't have the gospel. If they knew what they were missing out on, they wouldn't think they were happy.


Sounds like authentic believer babble. Of course, it doesn't quite jibe with the Book of Mormon prosperity gospel.


Leave it to Mormonism to be on both sides of every issue: if you are successful, God is rewarding you for your faithfulness; if unsuccessful, God is testing you or Satan is working extra hard on you (or both, if your name is Job). Staking out a position on both sides means you are never wrong about anything. It's why Mormonism is the perfect religion for Mitt Romney.

Re: Atheism correlates with societal well being

Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 7:12 pm
by _Darth J
Equality wrote:
Darth J wrote:Clearly, some people need to learn more about Scandinavian history. Have you ever heard of the Vikings? They pillaged and murdered and raped in villages all over Europe, and they had horns on their helmets. This last item is particularly interesting, given that horns on one's head are associated with the Devil. We're all familiar with stories about people who bargained with the Devil to get apparent prosperity, from Faust to Disney's The Devil and Max Devlin. Usually there is at least some factual basis to popular fiction, and Sweden is no exception.


I believe the "horned helmet" of the Vikings is a myth. Viking battle helmets did not sport horns:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/rea ... ir-helmets
http://europeanhistory.about.com/od/the ... myths6.htm
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I just knew someone was going to bring up this politically-correct, revisionist history in response to clear evidence that Satan is the man behind the curtain in Scandinavia.

Have you ever tried to put together a piece of furniture from Ikea? Or had a tune-up on a Volvo? Don't even try to tell me that Satan's fingerprints aren't all over that.

Re: Atheism correlates with societal well being

Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 7:24 pm
by _Morley
Darth J wrote:
Have you ever tried to put together a piece of furniture from Ikea? Or had a tune-up on a Volvo? Don't even try to tell me that Satan's fingerprints aren't all over that.

Or kissed a Swedish girl on the lips. The devil is a Scandinavian woman.