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Try telling this to Spence Kimball (link)
Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 6:06 pm
by _The Mighty Builder
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=204982 ... featured-4If you want true depression read his self loathing instructional book "Miracle of Forgiveness"
Re: Try telling this to Spence Kimball (link)
Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 6:35 pm
by _bcspace
Can you give me some advice on how to put the past behind me and move forward?
Repent. The MoF was right.
Re: Try telling this to Spence Kimball (link)
Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 7:07 pm
by _Polygamy-Porter
bcspace wrote:Can you give me some advice on how to put the past behind me and move forward?
Repent. The MoF was right.
Even about Cain being Sasquatch??
Re: Try telling this to Spence Kimball (link)
Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 7:38 pm
by _Zelder
bcspace wrote:Can you give me some advice on how to put the past behind me and move forward?
Repent. The MoF was right.
The issue is the description of what it means to repent. The degree of shame, pain, suffering, self-loathing etc associated with MoF is often considered harsh.
Re: Try telling this to Spence Kimball (link)
Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 8:54 pm
by _bcspace
Repent. The MoF was right.
Even about Cain being Sasquatch??
Do you find that in a doctrinal work somewhere?
The issue is the description of what it means to repent. The degree of shame, pain, suffering, self-loathing etc associated with MoF is often considered harsh.
There is sometimes a need for that; when someone doesn't believe what they've done is wrong or understands the consequences of such.
Re: Try telling this to Spence Kimball (link)
Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 9:22 pm
by _Zelder
bcspace wrote:
There is sometimes a need for that; when someone doesn't believe what they've done is wrong or understands the consequences of such.
Sure, like the rapist, the serial adulterer, the pedophile etc. The adventurous adolescent could use some guidance but I don't think they need to be hammered with shame. I think the focus on chastity should be less on sex and more on covenants, love and responsibility. Less on shame and more on developing a happy marriage and family life. It's astounding to me that they ever issued that crazy statement on impure and unholy practices in 1982. It's just an excellent example on how focused they were on sex which was the wrong focus.
Re: Try telling this to Spence Kimball (link)
Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 9:56 pm
by _bcspace
The adventurous adolescent could use some guidance but I don't think they need to be hammered with shame.
Again it depends. I personally don't have a copy and don't use it because it's not a doctrinal work. But I have read it and frankly. most of it is all too true. Some have asked me if it would be good to read and I have said yes.
Re: Try telling this to Spence Kimball (link)
Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:08 pm
by _Lucretia MacEvil
The Mighty Builder wrote:http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=20498289&nid=1000&title=your-past-does-not-define-you&s_cid=featured-4
If you want true depression read his self loathing instructional book "Miracle of Forgiveness"
I well remember picking up that book as a faithful believer hoping to find guidance on forgiving myself and my fellow men and being disappointed at finding nothing of the sort.
One Bible verse I truly dislike is "I the Lord will forgive whom I will forgive, but you are required to forgive everyone" (paraphrased) Hmm? Who is supposed to be the grown-up here? Not this God. All he apparently cares about is that we curry his forgiveness.
Re: Try telling this to Spence Kimball (link)
Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:14 pm
by _lulu
bcspace wrote:Can you give me some advice on how to put the past behind me and move forward?
Repent. The MoF was right.
The M'therF was right?
Re: Try telling this to Spence Kimball (link)
Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:15 pm
by _Doctor CamNC4Me
This is the Mormon Cain:
