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Prometheus and the role of aliens in creating the human race

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:29 pm
by _Panopticon
http://www.theofrak.com/2012/06/prometheus-and-role-of-aliens-in.html

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In Ridley Scott's Prometheus, which opened last Friday, a crew from Earth (circa 2089) is sent on a long journey to a nearby star system to explore a planet believed to be the home of the "Engineers," enigmatic creatures that supposedly engineered the human race.

Ridley Scott, it seems, is a believer.

“The more you go into it, the more you realize that it kind of makes sense,” Scott told FoxNews.com. “You stand outside at night, you look at the galaxy, and think, ‘The fact that we think we’re the only ones here is entirely ridiculous.’ It’s an arrogance to believe that we’re the only ones here.” http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/06/04/lets-contact-aliens-sir-ridley-scott-says/

I agree with Scott that there is a reasonable chance life exists outside of the Earth. However, I think the probability that aliens had anything to do with the creation of life, or humans in particular, is vanishingly small.

It is with regard to human evolution that the science of Prometheus starts to go off the rails. The film depicts an anthropomorphic being sacrificing himself (itself?) to seed the Earth with his DNA. I have no problem with an advance race being responsible for injecting self-replicating molecules into the Earth's biosphere. However, it doesn't address the problem of ambiogenesis, it simply pushes the problem to the Engineers' home planet. Life had to originate somewhere; if not on Earth, then on the Engineers' world.

Where Prometheus completely fails is the idea that seeding the Earth with DNA almost four billion years ago would result in bipedal hominids that look almost exactly like the Engineers today (well, smaller and less grey). This highlights a fundamental misunderstanding about evolution: the idea that evolution has some direction or purpose.

Assuming that history played out in precisely the same way that it did, then bipedal hominids might have evolved after countless generations of prokaryotes, eukaryotes, anthropods, and other creatures that preceded us on the evolutionary ladder. However, the Engineers could not have predicted this.

There is no suggestion in the movie that the Engineers guided our evolution over time. However, if their goal was to create life forms like themselves, they could have simply engineered them and placed them on the Earth at any convenient time when conditions were right to support those life forms. Guided evolution would have required a degree of micromanagement and waste of energy that is inconceivable for anything other than the Christian God. Of course, this is precisely what some Christians, who believe in evolution, attribute to God. But unlike the Engineers, He supposedly has infinite resources and infinite time to carry out his purposes.

Prometheus isn't the first movie or television show to advance the idea of seeding DNA. Star Trek: The Next Generation had a similar premise and made the same mistake. Aliens seeded the Earth (and many other worlds) with DNA, which is an explanation for why most of the Star Trek races are bipedal hominids. The real reason, of course, was that the original Star Trek lacked CGI and the budget to make aliens that were more exotic than actors in costumes.

Re: Prometheus and the role of aliens in creating the human

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:36 pm
by _Kishkumen
It's the new mythology, a variation on the old mythology.

Re: Prometheus and the role of aliens in creating the human

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:40 pm
by _bcspace
Star Trek: The Next Generation had a similar premise and made the same mistake. Aliens seeded the Earth (and many other words) with DNA, which is an explanation for why most of the Star Trek races are bipedal hominids.


Yes, it's the Star Trek: TNG Episode # 46 "The Chase" in Season Six. I would have no problem if "express image" means "bipedal hominids".

Re: Prometheus and the role of aliens in creating the human

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:02 pm
by _DarkHelmet
If only the writers knew that earth was created from existing materials. That's why we have old fossils of dinosaurs and cave men. After the earth was created with all these old fossils, man was placed on earth in our present form.

Re: Prometheus and the role of aliens in creating the human

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:07 pm
by _The Dude
I agree that the biggest howler from Prometheus is the big "revelation" that the Engineers' DNA is an exact match for our own. Why couldn't the writers have been more realistic and scientific, and said something like "the Engineer's DNA is uncannily similar, although not identical, to human DNA. We share a common ancestor. How could that be?" That would have been perfect. And the Engineers surely could have been guiding evolution over time. Why not? They came back several times and "ministered" to early human civilizations.

For the most part, however, I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. The overall theme is very Lovecraftian: if we knew the truth about our origins and our place in this malevolent universe, most of us would become raving lunatics.

During Prometheus I was thinking about how similar it was to HP Lovecraft's novella At the Mountains of Madness. Afterwards I did some googling and discovered that I was right on the money. Guillermo Del Toro was going to film At the Mountains of Madness until Prometheus killed his chances because of the similarity.

Re: Prometheus and the role of aliens in creating the human

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:12 pm
by _Kishkumen
The Dude wrote:I agree that the biggest howler from Prometheus is the big "revelation" that the Engineers' DNA is an exact match for our own. Why couldn't the writers have been more realistic and scientific, and said something like "the Engineer's DNA is uncannily similar, although not identical, to human DNA. We share a common ancestor. How could that be?" That would have been perfect. And the Engineers surely could have been guiding evolution over time. Why not? They came back several times and "ministered" to early human civilizations.

For the most part, however, I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. The overall theme is very Lovecraftian: if we knew the truth about our origins and our place in this malevolent universe, most of us would become raving lunatics.

During Prometheus I was thinking about how similar it was to HP Lovecraft's novella At the Mountains of Madness. Afterwards I did some googling and discovered that I was right on the money. Guillermo Del Toro was going to film At the Mountains of Madness until Prometheus killed his chances because of the similarity.


Thanks for sharing this, Dude. I am intrigued by the many tentacles of Lovecraftian influence in modern horror, science fiction, and fantasy. Here we see yet another example. Cool.

Re: Prometheus and the role of aliens in creating the human

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:15 pm
by _Fiannan
The upper levels of the Nazi Party believed something very close:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fwtBFq07QU

Re: Prometheus and the role of aliens in creating the human

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:38 pm
by _moksha
The Dude wrote: Why couldn't the writers have been more realistic and scientific, and said something like "the Engineer's DNA is uncannily similar, although not identical, to human DNA.


Star Trek handled the matter by genetic analysis in which they found that life on many planets stemmed from this seeding. Of course, there were also sentient non-humanoid lifeforms in Star Trek. The primal cause of how these progenitors got their start is unanswered. Perhaps it was related to one particular Mormon answer of the first one, evolving to the state of godhood, being the result of evolution.

As long as the movie Prometheus does not have aliens that will eat your face or try to obtain your social security number for employment purposes, then I am happy.

Re: Prometheus and the role of aliens in creating the human

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:48 pm
by _The Dude
moksha wrote:Star Trek handled the matter by genetic analysis in which they found that life on many planets stemmed from this seeding.


I have no problem at all with the seeding idea. It's pretty cool in my opinion and who knows? The problem is with the claim that 10-foot tall hairless humanoids from beyond our solar system have DNA that is an exact match with us. That implies that we share the same gene pool, that we are interbreeding with some regularity. Kind of like Heavenly Father coming down and copulating with Mary to father Jesus Christ. Is that the kind of story Prometheus is trying to tell? Or was it overreaching and basic scientific illiteracy? We shall see where it goes in the next movie....