Formal Discipline, next step for OMIDs?

[_lostindc]

I am on record stating the OMIDs will receive formal discipline by Church leadership. I say this because of experience from a first hand source.

Years back, I sat in on a Church meeting with a Church representative discussing "anti-Mormonism, apologetics," etc. This representative felt a "war drum" approach to battling those critical of Church history, doctrine, etc. was the incorrect method. He went on to tell a story (hopefully not a Dunn story) about a member of the Church who spent his days fighting with Church critics. This member apologist was asked to slow down and apply some control to his methods. The member continued to utilize the "war drum" method. The representative told us the member was heavily disciplined by Church leadership.

We now stand at a point in Mormon apologetic history where egos are hurt and anger is raised. Apologists have been ousted from posh positions that served as the method for notable publication within the LDS arena. After all, the purpose of getting into Mormon apologetics is to gain notoriety as a great defender of the faith, why else do these OMIDs get involved? Will the Bradford barrier halt the OMIDs quest for fame via publication and subsequently recognition? Obviously the OMIDs will not and are not going down without a fight and the fight has already begun to be dirty. The OMIDs have already been ousted by the Maxwell Institure, therefore if the OMIDs quest for battle continues then what is the next course of action to be taken by those in charge of the MI? Will the MI continue to stand by and take personal attacks from the OMIDs (who already have a long history of conducting personal attacks)? Will the leadership of the Church continue to let the Bill Hamblins, Will Schryvers, and DCPs attack the MI composed of notable members of the faith community? I am afraid Church leadership will be forced to formerly discipline the OMIDs because the OMIDs cannot bare the idea of losing their seat at the table.

[_bcspace]

I predict Dehlin, Southerton, and the like will receive formal Church discipline loooooong before any of those you mention do.

[_lostindc]

I predict Dehlin, Southerton, and the like will receive formal Church discipline loooooong before any of those you mention do.

at least you are in agreement the OMIDs will receive discipline. I would not be surprised if Dehlin, Southerton, and others are excommunicated in the next few years, but I would also not be surprised if the Church took a kinder approach to these folks and just let them be...

[_bcspace]

at least you are in agreement the OMIDs will receive discipline.

Only in the snowball's chance in hell sense.

[_lostindc]

at least you are in agreement the OMIDs will receive discipline.

Only in the snowball's chance in hell sense.

so you are now retracting your concurrence that the OMIDs will receive formal discipline? If so, did something happen in the last few minutes to change your mind?

[_Polygamy-Porter]

I predict Dehlin, Southerton, and the like will receive formal Church discipline loooooong before any of those you mention do.

Uhhhh Simon has already been ex'd but supposedly not for his book but for "having an inappropriate relationship with a woman"...

http://www.mormoncurtain.com/topic_simo ... -877246751

[_RockSlider]

Once they are sat down by their SP and told to cease and desist or face a court of love, they will settle down quickly. They all just need a bit more pray, pay and obey.

[_lostindc]

Once they are sat down by their SP and told to cease and desist or face a court of love, they will settle down quickly. They all just need a bit more pray, pay and obey.

I believe there is truth to this statement. The formal discipline will likely come from behind the scenes if it has already not...

[_Kevin Graham]

I am on record stating the OMIDs will receive formal discipline by Church leadership. I say this because of experience from a first hand source.

Years back, I sat in on a Church meeting with a Church representative discussing "anti-Mormonism, apologetics," etc. This representative felt a "war drum" approach to battling those critical of Church history, doctrine, etc. was the incorrect method. He went on to tell a story (hopefully not a Dunn story) about a member of the Church who spent his days fighting with Church critics. This member apologist was asked to slow down and apply some control to his methods. The member continued to utilize the "war drum" method. The representative told us the member was heavily disciplined by Church leadership.

We now stand at a point in Mormon apologetic history where egos are hurt and anger is raised. Apologists have been ousted from posh positions that served as the method for notable publication within the LDS arena. After all, the purpose of getting into Mormon apologetics is to gain notoriety as a great defender of the faith, why else do these OMIDs get involved? Will the Bradford barrier halt the OMIDs quest for fame via publication and subsequently recognition? Obviously the OMIDs will not and are not going down without a fight and the fight has already begun to be dirty. The OMIDs have already been ousted by the Maxwell Institure, therefore if the OMIDs quest for battle continues then what is the next course of action to be taken by those in charge of the MI? Will the MI continue to stand by and take personal attacks from the OMIDs (who already have a long history of conducting personal attacks)? Will the leadership of the Church continue to let the Bill Hamblins, Will Schryvers, and DCPs attack the MI composed of notable members of the faith community? I am afraid Church leadership will be forced to formerly discipline the OMIDs because the OMIDs cannot bare the idea of losing their seat at the table.

As long as they keep bearing their testimonies every Sunday, they won't be disciplined. The reason BYU (the Church) took over FARMS was because they wanted to control it. Now they've completely dismantled it because it presented something of an embarrassment. Just look at how Dan Peterson and Bill Hamblin have shown just what a couple of loose canons they really are.

Dan is free to start FARMS up again, but he will be working from scratch, and without the support of the Church. It will be interesting to see if he does this, or if he will just migrate on over to FAIR. Either way, this notion that Dan Peterson is "done" is pretty stupid. Attacking apostates and anti-Mormons is an obsession Dan is not likely to set free. If anything, this situation has lit a fire under his butt, and we can expect to hear more from him now than we ever did before, with even less oversight. Just give him some time to get settled into a niche.

[_lulu]

but he will be working from scratch

No pun intended, I'm sure