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Schryver and his wife have read the hit piece

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:50 am
by _cafe crema
It was Greg Smith who wrote what Dehlin referred to right? If that's the case then on Ralph Hancocks' blog Schryver posted a comment saying both he and his wife read it.
William Schryver:
June 26, 2012 at 9:12 pm

Both my wife and I have read Greg Smith’s timely article. It is a well-written and exhaustively foot-noted treatise that shines a revealing light upon Dehlin and the numerous “contradictions” to which Ralph alludes above. Whether in the Mormon Studies Review at this time or in another venue at a later date, Smith’s article constitutes a much needed analysis of the growing “ministry” of the most successful example, to date, of a species of Latter-day Saint I have lovingly dubbed the “Evangelizing Apostates of Mormonism.”

Whether this article ought to have been, or not, published at this particular point in time is a valid question, many of the implications of which are entirely unrelated to the future direction of the Maxwell Institute. Therefore I concur with Ralph’s caveat concerning the causal relationships between Dehlin, the apparent suppression of Smiths’ paper, and the recent radical excision from the Maxwell Institute of the last remnant of F.A.R.M.S.

That said, it has been quite apparent to me, as I have observed matters over the course of the past several days since this story broke on a notoriously hostile ex-Mormon-dominated message board, that the Evangelizing Apostates of Mormonism have already established their own narrative that has defined the chain of causality in this affair. From their perspective, LDS Church leadership has hopped on John Dehlin’s bandwagon, moved to formally promote a secularist-dominated Mormon Studies program at Brigham Young University, and, to punctuate the abrupt change of direction, ruthlessly (and ever so publicly) repudiated Dan Peterson and F.A.R.M.S. and everything they stood for.


Link to Hancock's blog

Re: Schryver and his wife have read the hit piece

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:58 am
by _DrW
café crema wrote:It was Greg Smith who wrote what Dehlin referred to right? If that's the case then on Ralph Hancocks' blog Schryver posted a comment saying both he and his wife read it.
William Schryver:
June 26, 2012 at 9:12 pm


That said, it has been quite apparent to me, as I have observed matters over the course of the past several days since this story broke on a notoriously hostile ex-Mormon-dominated message board, that the Evangelizing Apostates of Mormonism have already established their own narrative that has defined the chain of causality in this affair. From their perspective, LDS Church leadership has hopped on John Dehlin’s bandwagon, moved to formally promote a secularist-dominated Mormon Studies program at Brigham Young University, and, to punctuate the abrupt change of direction, ruthlessly (and ever so publicly) repudiated Dan Peterson and F.A.R.M.S. and everything they stood for.


Link to Hancock's blog


Sounds about right to me. And none too soon.

Re: Schryver and his wife have read the hit piece

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:06 am
by _cwald
Well I'll be damned. Can't wait to read it.

No wonder it is madness at MDDB.

Re: Schryver and his wife have read the hit piece

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:27 am
by _Polygamy-Porter
We can make many bottles of wine with all those sour grapes.


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Re: Schryver and his wife have read the hit piece

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:46 am
by _Equality
One thing I find troubling (among many) about Schryver's screed there is the repetition of the apologetic lie that critics are the ones making the causal link between the spiking of the Dehlin hit piece last month and the sacking of DCP and Co. this month. That link was made by DCP himself in his email response to Bradford.
Daniel C. Peterson to Gerald Bradford wrote:The timing of my dismissal, coming immediately after my public crucifixion over the John Dehlin debacle, guarantees that it will be read as an institutional rebuke of me and all my works.

Is there no historical event to which the apologists will not try to give the revisionist treatment? It's only been ten days since this story broke, ferchrissakes. How stupid do they think we are?

Re: Schryver and his wife have read the hit piece

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:52 am
by _Chap
Equality wrote:One thing I find troubling (among many) about Schryver's screed there is the repetition of the apologetic lie that critics are the ones making the causal link between the spiking of the Dehlin hit piece last month and the sacking of DCP and Co. this month. That link was made by DCP himself in his email response to Bradford.
Daniel C. Peterson to Gerald Bradford wrote:The timing of my dismissal, coming immediately after my public crucifixion over the John Dehlin debacle, guarantees that it will be read as an institutional rebuke of me and all my works.

Is there no historical event to which the apologists will not try to give the revisionist treatment? It's only been ten days since this story broke, ferchrissakes. How stupid do they think we are?


Q: How can you tell when they are lying?

A: When their lips are moving.

Re: Schryver and his wife have read the hit piece

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:20 am
by _CaliforniaKid
It's kind of embarrassing how many of the apologists seem to think it's appropriate for an academic journal, sponsored by a major university, to publish a 100+ page, "footnoted" exposé of the religious views of the host of an Internet podcast. The tone of the article could be all hugs and kisses, and it would still be cringe-worthy.

Re: Schryver and his wife have read the hit piece

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:26 am
by _Bond James Bond
Someone Facebook me when this Dehlin piece finally leaks. Thanks.

Re: Schryver and his wife have read the hit piece

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:40 am
by _Chap
CaliforniaKid wrote:It's kind of embarrassing how many of the apologists seem to think it's appropriate for an academic journal, sponsored by a major university, to publish a 100+ page, "footnoted" exposé of the religious views of the host of an Internet podcast. The tone of the article could be all hugs and kisses, and it would still be cringe-worthy.


Yes. Really.

I am trying to imagine this happening anywhere outside the LDS world, and I just can't.

Let's just look at it again:

It's kind of embarrassing how many of the apologists seem to think it's appropriate for an academic journal, sponsored by a major university, to publish a 100+ page, "footnoted" exposé of the religious views of the host of an Internet podcast.


No, it is the bolded bits that do it. No wonder BYU wanted this to stop.

Re: Schryver and his wife have read the hit piece

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:15 am
by _Drifting
Hey Will,

What will receive publication first?

A. The Dehlin hit piece
B. Article on hell freezing over
C. You

:lol:

(I've made it easy for you by putting the answers in order of probability...)