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Is he really a nobody?
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:55 pm
by _Joe Geisner
If the apologist are correct, and Dr. Bradford made this decision to remove Dr. Peterson as editor of the MSR on his own, what does this say about Dr. Peterson's standing? Does this mean he is a non-entity when decisions are made at BYU? As the apologist want us to be, "all he got was an email?"
A former history professor at BYU was asked not to publish a paper he had given at MHA. He says his dean told him it came from "higher authority." I find it interesting that in this example we have a lowly history professor who gets special treatment in being asked to not publish a paper, and yet the self proclaimed "important person" of Dr. Daniel C. Peterson can be removed from his editorship by his immediate supervisor.
If this is all true as the apologists want us to believe, then Dr. Peterson really is a person I should pity. His grandiose self image is truly remarkable if he is not even thought about by people in "higher authority." A truly remarkable situation.
Re: Is he really a nobody?
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:36 pm
by _Aristotle Smith
I don't think he's a nobody, at least no more of a nobody than is Bradford. But I do think this points to something
I said on another thread, there is something even more interesting going on here:
Aristotle Smith wrote:I do have one question for you. At what level do you think this decision has been made?
I ask because I don't think this decision has been made at the highest levels. Both sides seem to have their supporters in the Qof12 and both sides seem to be able to play "dueling General Authorities" at will. This leads me to believe that at the level of official leadership there is a standoff. The only thing that could break that deadlock would be Thomas Monson stepping forward and taking a side, but I seriously doubt he knows or cares about this whole situation. Plus I have never heard Monson's name brought up as a power player in any of these episodes involving FARMS.
So since there isn't any definitive official leadership, NAMIRS has won and classic FARMS has lost largely on the basis of some control of bureaucracy/correlation at the Church Office Building(COB). In other words, staffers, managers, and bureaucrats have tipped the scales in the direction of mainstream.
The reason I find this fascinating, if true, is that this is a signal that the official leadership is no longer controlling or leading the church. Either through deadlock, neglect, or just not caring, the decisions are now being made at some undefined level at the COB and BYU. The crown jewel of Mormonism, that it is lead by living prophets and apostles, may very well be dead as shown by this episode.
In other words, it may be that it's the GAs who no longer count for much. And that I think is a much bigger story than the fact that DCP isn't all that important.
Re: Is he really a nobody?
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:48 pm
by _Joe Geisner
Aristotle Smith wrote:I don't think he's a nobody, at least no more of a nobody than is Bradford. But I do think this points to something
I said on another thread, there is something even more interesting going on here:
In other words, it may be that it's the GAs who no longer count for much. And that I think is a much bigger story than the fact that DCP isn't all that important.
Thanks Ari.
And yes, Dr. Peterson is not a nobody. Actually I am a nobody in all this fun and games. I was trying to be a smart ass is all.
I would disagree, I think Bradford at this point is a somebody in this tug-of-war. It seems he has made changes and is implementing a vision he favors. Where the GA's fit in all this, who knows? As Loyd points out, there is reason to believe they had nothing to do with this. I doubt we will ever know.
Re: Is he really a nobody?
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:04 am
by _Kevin Graham
What I know for certain is that at least one General Authority has asked Bradford not to change his mind about Dan's "firing." That GA would be President Samuelson.
Re: Is he really a nobody?
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:17 am
by _MrStakhanovite
Kevin Graham wrote:What I know for certain is that at least one General Authority has asked Bradford not to change his mind about Dan's "firing." That GA would be President Samuelson.
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Re: Is he really a nobody?
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:19 am
by _Doctor Scratch
Kevin Graham wrote:What I know for certain is that at least one General Authority has asked Bradford not to change his mind about Dan's "firing." That GA would be President Samuelson.
Wow, really? Would you care to elaborate on this, Kevin?
Re: Is he really a nobody?
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:24 am
by _Chap
Kevin Graham wrote:What I know for certain is that at least one General Authority has asked Bradford not to change his mind about Dan's "firing." That GA would be President Samuelson.
The world is very wide. So some readers of this board may not realize that Cecil Osborn Samuelson, Jr. is the President of Brigham Young University.
It does seem unlikely that a man like that would take a major decision like this without feeling some assurance that people even higher up would have no objection to his action.
Re: Is he really a nobody?
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:26 am
by _Kevin Graham
I will just say that this is what I was told by a BYU professor who is close to Bradford. Chris was told theme same thing. He may come forward with a public defense of Bradford but he said he is hoping Dan or Bill will step up and do the right thing by stopping this public lynching of Bradford. They are aware of more details that puts their rants into proper perspective but so far they're not telling the whole story.
Re: Is he really a nobody?
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:28 am
by _Kevin Graham
Samuelson said this after reading Dan's email tanteum.
Re: Is he really a nobody?
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:31 am
by _Kevin Graham
Chap wrote:Kevin Graham wrote:What I know for certain is that at least one General Authority has asked Bradford not to change his mind about Dan's "firing." That GA would be President Samuelson.
The world is very wide. So some readers of this board may not realize that Cecil Osborn Samuelson, Jr. is the President of Brigham Young University.
It does seem unlikely that a man like that would take a major decision like this without feeling some assurance that people even higher up would have no objection to his action.
Indeed. As director at Maxwell, Bradford is in frequent meetings with Samuelson. Meetings without Dan and his Peterpologists who think they know everything.